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Sep 28 22:01:14 wers, you :) Sep 28 22:01:15 ping yippi Sep 28 22:01:16 wers, are you ok? Sep 28 22:01:35 let's wait for wers to wake up first ;) Sep 28 22:01:41 ^^ Sep 28 22:01:48 sakana, hi Sep 28 22:01:57 pockeylam, hi Sep 28 22:02:01 hi sakana Sep 28 22:02:12 just send an email to GNOME-TW mail list Sep 28 22:02:18 emily, hi ^^ Sep 28 22:02:18 sakana, see, so good you got 96 contacts ;) Sep 28 22:02:41 we can add those 96 contacts to the GNOME-TW list? Sep 28 22:02:43 ^^ Sep 28 22:03:11 That's our pleasure Sep 28 22:03:12 sakana, hehe, you make sure the email addresses are only for the GNOME list ;) Sep 28 22:03:26 sakana, i will send you the email lists later, u can add them by yourself? Sep 28 22:03:29 pockeylam, sure -- Sep 28 22:04:01 no, I want to send an invite letter to them Sep 28 22:04:11 sakana, mmm they already agreed Sep 28 22:04:13 and after chat with GNOME-TW Users Sep 28 22:04:21 sakana, so u can just add them to the list :) Sep 28 22:04:45 sakana, ok, send them an invitation Sep 28 22:05:06 sakana, I know, You know Chinese "無三不成禮" Sep 28 22:05:18 sorry for the Chinese Sep 28 22:05:49 sakana, remember to mention, currently in the survey they would like to be informed in the Taiwan GNOME User Group Sep 28 22:06:01 hi! Sep 28 22:06:04 yippi, hi Sep 28 22:06:08 yippi: hey! Sep 28 22:06:13 so we don't have our secretary yet Sep 28 22:06:15 but we should start Sep 28 22:06:35 yes please Sep 28 22:06:36 gogogo Sep 28 22:06:40 emily, can you take note first? Sep 28 22:06:45 emily, to swap with wers :) Sep 28 22:06:50 OK Sep 28 22:07:09 1) # Update on our pre-event survey for GNOME.Asia Summit 2011 Sep 28 22:07:10 Do we need the log ? or just note Sep 28 22:07:25 emily, if possible both Sep 28 22:07:27 emily, if not, i can log Sep 28 22:08:17 please log for me Sep 28 22:08:26 X chat is not good at save log Sep 28 22:08:29 I take note Sep 28 22:08:59 can we add 1 item to the agenda? I'd to touch about mario's company use of GNOMe/Gnome.Asia logo and get feedback from GNOME foundation directors related to http://foundation.gnome.org/licensing/guidelines/ ? Sep 28 22:09:01 before the survey, i want to update everybody as i sent emails to Owen Taylor, Vincent Untz, Jon McCann, Paul Cutler Sep 28 22:09:06 SFD_Fred, ok Sep 28 22:09:14 s/I´d/I'd like Sep 28 22:09:16 what do other people think? Sep 28 22:09:52 emily, is it ok? Sep 28 22:10:09 mario removed the partner title of the section and GNOME.Asia is mixed with many other FOSS project. Though mousing over you see the partner directory where the file is stored Sep 28 22:10:42 pockeylam: OK to what ? Sep 28 22:10:50 emily, for SFD_Fred question Sep 28 22:11:00 emily, can we add 1 item to the agenda? I'd to touch about mario's company use of GNOMe/Gnome.Asia logo and get feedback from GNOME foundation directors related to http://foundation.gnome.org/licensing/guidelines/ ? Sep 28 22:11:24 sure, this need to be discuss Sep 28 22:11:27 emily, good Sep 28 22:11:28 please Sep 28 22:11:29 so i go ahead Sep 28 22:11:31 Mario's company site is http://mbm.vn/ Sep 28 22:11:47 SFD_Fred, ok, let's talk about it later :) Sep 28 22:11:52 let me continue Sep 28 22:12:19 i sent emails to Owen Taylor, Vincent Untz, Jon McCann, Paul Cutler Sep 28 22:12:23 vincent and paul replied Sep 28 22:12:30 feedback from Vincent Untz: Sep 28 22:12:30 he thinks it's a great idea but think the date of launch will be in the first week of April and not sure how many people from the release tema would be available for this. Sep 28 22:12:48 feedback from Paul Cutler, Sep 28 22:12:48 he thinks a hackfest typically have a goal of working on something new or to be improved. Sep 28 22:12:48 While all the working teams will be very busy during the launch days of GNOME, it's difficult to get them to the hackfest. Sep 28 22:12:48 he suggested us to move it to April to make the event to promote the recent release, talk about what worked well (or what didn't) and be a big release party with a havkest, marketing nad a conference. Sep 28 22:12:48 also not sure about how many working team members will participate. Sep 28 22:13:09 hello Sep 28 22:13:20 wers, cool, u re today's secretary then Sep 28 22:13:25 emily, wers is back, so he can take note Sep 28 22:13:29 秘书来了！ Sep 28 22:13:32 yeah Sep 28 22:13:32 ok :) Sep 28 22:13:33 ;-) Sep 28 22:13:40 wers, did you see the feedback from vincent and paul? Sep 28 22:13:53 I can take notes today Sep 28 22:13:57 pockeylam, sorry I haven't yet Sep 28 22:14:04 pockeylam, what was that about? Sep 28 22:14:04 Wers, you can do it next time Sep 28 22:14:06 wers, is it okay to let emily take note today? Sep 28 22:14:18 pockeylam, ok. I'll do it next week then Sep 28 22:14:22 wers, thanks Sep 28 22:14:28 feedback from Vincent Untz: Sep 28 22:14:28 he thinks it's a great idea but think the date of launch will be in the first week of April and not sure how many people from the release team would be available for this. Sep 28 22:14:37 feedback from Paul Cutler, Sep 28 22:14:37 he thinks a hackfest typically have a goal of working on something new or to be improved. Sep 28 22:14:50 he also thinks all the working teams will be very busy during the launch days of GNOME, it's difficult to get them to the hackfest. Sep 28 22:15:06 he suggested us to move it to April to make the event to promote the recent release, talk about what worked well (or what didn't) and be a big release party with a hackest, marketing and a conference. Sep 28 22:15:15 he is also not sure about how many working team members will participate. Sep 28 22:15:41 i think our introduction of the gnome.asia summit and hackfest is not very clear Sep 28 22:15:52 Paul might have misunderstood our intent, but pockeylam replied and clarified already. waiting for 2nd respose Sep 28 22:16:02 SFD_Fred, thanks:) Sep 28 22:16:15 exactly, so i m still waiting for paul's further comment Sep 28 22:16:22 ok Sep 28 22:16:30 but in general, they are both very supportive Sep 28 22:16:33 what do you think about the comments we have so far, though? Sep 28 22:16:48 but nobody is sure of the launch date Sep 28 22:16:51 what can we learn from the feedback? I think, the most obvious one is the date Sep 28 22:17:08 yeah. either way, we'll probably have to move it Sep 28 22:17:13 and nobody is sure of the number of working teams who can join the hackfest Sep 28 22:17:16 It is very positive feedback, It would be great if GNOME.Asia can launch together with GNOME 3.0 Sep 28 22:17:17 I mean, move it from march to a later month Sep 28 22:17:20 we learn 1) our introduction is not clear Sep 28 22:17:32 2) our goals are also not so clear, Sep 28 22:17:41 we need to discuss and explain more Sep 28 22:18:22 3) should we do a hackfest that is for the working teams to work on the launch of GNOME 3 during the release Sep 28 22:18:25 Let's discuss what's the goal for the hackfest here Sep 28 22:18:43 or should we do a hackfest that is for people to hack on new things after the launch of GNOME 3 Sep 28 22:19:03 emily, yeah, we should discuss here Sep 28 22:19:05 the term hackfest is what lead Paul to a wrong understanding apparently Sep 28 22:19:34 4) we learnt that a survey is definitely useful, as even paul and vincent are not sure how many of their teams will participate Sep 28 22:19:34 i am not sure if we should say GNOME3 hackfest Sep 28 22:19:52 lakhil, yeah, we should have a consistent name Sep 28 22:20:06 we also talk about the event names Sep 28 22:20:07 as hackfest is usually organized long before the release to have massive development or improvement Sep 28 22:20:17 maybe, they're thinking that we want a hackfest that will improve on GNOME 3.0, the software. not a marketing hackfest or something similar Sep 28 22:20:37 launch workshop? Sep 28 22:20:44 GLW Sep 28 22:20:47 so we need to know exactly what we are we hosting and our goals Sep 28 22:21:00 so we can be able to communicate with them :) Sep 28 22:21:16 For someone to use the GNOME.Asia logo, they need to get permission from The GNOME Foundation to use the brand. Sep 28 22:21:28 SFD_Fred, what exactly is a launch workshop? Sep 28 22:21:59 yippi: so should I follow up and ask him again, point out that page? He didn't reply at all Sep 28 22:22:15 wers: it's a workshop to work on the launch Sep 28 22:22:34 i think paul and vincent's comment that hackfests normally work on something new or to be improved is a bit limiting. I see no reason why a hackfest can't be to do something new. Sep 28 22:22:35 for the "hackfest" , we planned to host it right before the launch, to help on the launch Sep 28 22:22:59 yippi, so the hackfest should be hosted after the launch of GNOME 3 Sep 28 22:23:01 yippi, ? Sep 28 22:23:09 yippi: yes, I was also surprise by the interpretation, but I am no native speaker Sep 28 22:23:25 yippi, or before the launch of gnome 3? Sep 28 22:23:30 SFD_Fred, let him know to contact the GNOME Foundation if he wants to use the brand, though first he should get approval from GNOME.Asia about how they want to use the brand. Sep 28 22:23:57 I do not feel strongly about whether the hackfest should be before/during/after the actual launch. It makes the most sense to schedule it when the most people would be able to come to do useful things. Sep 28 22:24:20 yippi, sure! So i put it in the survey to ask people then Sep 28 22:24:23 smart way to look at it (hackfest) Sep 28 22:24:31 I think we should be agreeable to slightly changing the focus of the event if it would draw more people. For example, if people want to come to do stuff that makes sense to do after the actual launch, then we could have it after the launch to accomodate Sep 28 22:24:50 so, perhaps it would be a useful question to ask in the survey whether people would like to have such an event before, during or after. Sep 28 22:24:53 and to ask why Sep 28 22:25:11 yippi, good idea, thanks! Sep 28 22:25:12 then we can make a more informed decision. Sep 28 22:25:32 we don't have to limit ourselves for no good reason Sep 28 22:25:45 what is the hacfest goal ? set by ourselves or set after the survey ? a marketing hackfest or a developer hackfest ? Sep 28 22:25:58 AI: pockey to add two questions in the survey: 1) people would like to have such an event before, during or after. 2) ask why Sep 28 22:26:22 I think we do want the hackfest to relate to the GNOME 3 event, but how it relates probably makes sense to decide after we know who can come. Sep 28 22:26:30 and what they would be interested to work on with a bunch of other GNOME people Sep 28 22:26:37 the goals can be still similar: work on, promote and celebrate GNOME 3 Sep 28 22:26:50 yes, i think the goals should be broad to encourage the most people to attend. Sep 28 22:27:30 so, i will modify the survey based on the above comments Sep 28 22:27:35 add more background information Sep 28 22:28:04 for the surveys Sep 28 22:28:19 i got some feedbacks, some questions need to be improved Sep 28 22:28:36 1) How much are you willing to spend for transportation and lodging to join the GNOME.Asia Summit 2011 hosted in Asia? is not clear enough. any suggestion Sep 28 22:28:37 a marketing hackfest? or a developer hackfest ? | 2010 is developer hackfest | 2010 more deep developer hackfest or change type to marketing hackfest? Sep 28 22:29:07 sakana, we will ask more questions in the survey and let our participants decide :) Sep 28 22:29:17 => we want to ask about their own personal spending, not GNOME Foundation or company right? Sep 28 22:29:29 SFD_Fred, thanks Sep 28 22:29:37 pockeylam, I see ^^ thanks u Sep 28 22:30:11 so i added a help section in "help": Help: Provided that your company or The GNOME Foundation is not able to fully cover your traveling and lodging expenses. Sep 28 22:30:27 and change the question to : How much are you willing to pay by yourself on traveling and lodging to join the full event in Asia? Sep 28 22:30:31 do u think it's clear enough? Sep 28 22:30:59 looks fare enough Sep 28 22:31:17 pockeylam: How about ask in seperated questions: Is it possible your company will you sponsor you to travel to GNOME.Asia 2011. The second questions: do you need sponsorship from GNOME foundation ? If yes, how much do you expected in cost in Asian countries Sep 28 22:31:22 ok with me too Sep 28 22:32:02 emily, the existing questions are already similar to what you wrote Sep 28 22:32:26 do the gnome foundation has limit (max. amount) on the travel subsidy? Sep 28 22:33:00 I applied $5000 for FY2011 as previous year to our treasure Sep 28 22:33:00 e.g. usually for GNOME.Asia it's about 800 / 400 for other country / asian countries? Sep 28 22:33:24 Do you think we still need to have this limitation ? Sep 28 22:33:57 right now the first question is: How likely would your company sponsor your travel to the full event? Sep 28 22:34:11 sounds good to me Sep 28 22:34:12 How likely would you need the GNOME Foundation to subsidize your travel to the full event? Sep 28 22:34:27 3) Question: How much are you willing to pay by yourself on traveling and lodging to join the full event in Asia? Sep 28 22:34:27 Help: Provided that your company or The GNOME Foundation is not able to fully cover your traveling and lodging expenses. Sep 28 22:35:00 everybody is okay with this? Sep 28 22:35:06 is it clear enough? Sep 28 22:35:15 +1 Sep 28 22:35:22 yes Sep 28 22:35:23 +1 Sep 28 22:35:37 thanks Sep 28 22:35:38 pockeylam, so the " Provided that your company or The GNOME Foundation is not able to fully cover your traveling and lodging expenses." is a question before "How much are you willing to pay by yourself on traveling and lodging to join the full event in Asia?" Sep 28 22:35:42 or are they in one question? Sep 28 22:35:43 very clear then this way Sep 28 22:35:51 wers, no no, it's a remark Sep 28 22:35:57 ok Sep 28 22:35:59 wers, just to make sure they understand what's the question is about :) Sep 28 22:36:06 wers, since three persons asked me Sep 28 22:36:07 i'm confused by this question. Sep 28 22:36:17 what we really want to know is how much The GNOME Foundation may need to pay for them to attend. Sep 28 22:36:18 it will depend on fund availability and the value comes out of the event ? Sep 28 22:36:30 * lakhil has quit (Leaving) Sep 28 22:36:33 so, we really don't care if they pay by themselves of it their company pays Sep 28 22:36:56 what we really want to know is whether they will ask the gnome foundation to cover travel expenses, and if so, how much they expect to ask for. Sep 28 22:37:06 yippi, ok Sep 28 22:37:08 so we can put together a preliminary budget Sep 28 22:37:09 makes sense Sep 28 22:37:29 yippi, so i change the third question to : how much they expect to ask for? Sep 28 22:37:32 * lakhil (~lakhil@117.192.24.3) has joined #asia-summit Sep 28 22:37:46 but we do have limits though.. so they can ask but we don't give (that much... ) Sep 28 22:37:47 so, i think the question should be reworded so that it tries to get people to let us know the following: Sep 28 22:37:50 sorry, network failed Sep 28 22:37:54 : I ask German to plan $5000 as before, do you think we need more budget request ? Sep 28 22:37:59 so the question is going to be something like "How much do you think should the GNOME Foundation cover for your transportation and lodging expenses?" Sep 28 22:38:13 yippi, after the question of How likely would you need the GNOME Foundation to subsidize your travel to the full event? Sep 28 22:38:27 First I would ask "Would you need The GNOME Foundation to cover your travel expenses?" Sep 28 22:38:33 if they answer yes, then ask how much they expect they would need. Sep 28 22:39:01 if they answer no, we could ask whether they plan to pay themselves or if their employer would pay Sep 28 22:39:08 yippi: but somehow it does depend on the location and lodging we're able to offer Sep 28 22:39:23 sure, but we don't need to know exact numbers, we just mostly want to get a ballpark figure. Sep 28 22:39:39 once we figure the location, we can calculate more accurate costs if we know where people are travelling from. Sep 28 22:39:51 ok Sep 28 22:39:51 yes, i suspect we'll need more than $5,000 if we want to pay for more than 1-2 people. Sep 28 22:40:13 won't travel costs be about 1,500-2,000 per person travelling from US or Europe? Sep 28 22:40:47 so, we might need to get sponsors to help. But if we can align the goal of the hackfest with something our sponsors will agree with, then we're more likely to get sponsors. Sep 28 22:40:54 Then we need to raise this request earlier to Board Sep 28 22:41:07 emily, please do Sep 28 22:41:07 and I'd think most typical GNOME sponsors would think a hackfest focused on making GNOME 3 a successful launch would be worth an investment. Sep 28 22:41:22 yes, really need more sponsors next year Sep 28 22:41:35 emily, and call for sponsors as soon as possible Sep 28 22:41:53 and having a good focus for the event is likely to encourage more investment, including likely from The GNOME Foundation. I'd think the GNOME Foundation would be more interested in paying more if there is real value to the community. Sep 28 22:41:54 yippi, so it's going to be a pre-GNOME 3.0 launch event? Sep 28 22:42:02 did we decide that? Sep 28 22:42:10 i thought we were going to use the survey to help us decide. Sep 28 22:42:11 yes, after we finish the survey -> build the website and proposal , then call for sponsors. Sep 28 22:42:15 wers, haha, u forgot again Sep 28 22:42:24 ooh. ok. hehe Sep 28 22:42:28 emily, decide a location also Sep 28 22:42:49 let's work on it together Sep 28 22:43:33 So, Pockey, you will Update one questions about the travel cost into three questions? Sep 28 22:43:47 * terral (~wlashell@67.51.139.235) has joined #asia-summit Sep 28 22:43:51 AI: Pockey to modify the survey questions (have an idea of how much needed for the travel subsidy) Sep 28 22:43:56 emily, yes Sep 28 22:44:23 AI: Emily to discuss about the travel subsidy with The GNOME FOundation board Sep 28 22:44:26 hi terral Sep 28 22:44:33 allo Sep 28 22:44:48 hi Sep 28 22:45:34 there was also a question in the feedback about the helpdesk concept Sep 28 22:45:39 pockeylam & yippi: I would like to raise our idea of GNOME 3.0/GNOME.Asia 2011 proposal to board meeting this week. Sep 28 22:45:42 so this is another point to clarify Sep 28 22:45:59 emily, good Sep 28 22:46:05 yippi: do you think it is mature enough to raise this question to board meeting this week ? Sep 28 22:46:09 and it might surely depend on whether the hackfest is happening before during or after the launch Sep 28 22:47:19 or shall we just skipped on it as it adds complexity in the survey and decide later? Sep 28 22:47:19 AI: Pockey to send out test survey to everybody for 2nd round feedback Sep 28 22:48:12 pockeylam: The AI might be changed to raise the idea to board meeting first. the next step is talk about funding from GNOME foundation, how do you think? Sep 28 22:48:19 emily, sure! Sep 28 22:48:34 let's move to our second topic Sep 28 22:48:37 Updates from each potential country hosts i.e. India , Indonesia and Hong Kong Sep 28 22:48:54 AI Emily to rasie the idea of GNOME 3.0/GNOME.Asia 2011 proposal to board meeting this week. Sep 28 22:49:02 Utian sent some resorts pictures here http://live.gnome.org/GnomeAsia/ResortVenue Sep 28 22:49:38 and added info for the 1 day conference in IPB international convention center Sep 28 22:49:41 yes, quite clear on the whole dormitory set up Sep 28 22:50:05 are we okay with dormitory? :) Sep 28 22:50:06 did everyone take a look at it? Sep 28 22:51:07 in guadec, usually there will be rooms which are shared by 2-3 people, not more than that Sep 28 22:51:14 How many people share one room ? Sep 28 22:51:22 it's one big room Sep 28 22:51:26 for 60 people Sep 28 22:51:28 http://picasaweb.google.com/utianayuba/CICOResort Sep 28 22:51:31 there are partitions Sep 28 22:51:36 4 people in 1 partition Sep 28 22:51:37 separate by 4 Sep 28 22:51:40 yes.. Sep 28 22:51:47 there is curtain for each partition Sep 28 22:51:51 split in groups of 4 Sep 28 22:52:24 yes, it sounds reasonable to raise this with the board this week. Sep 28 22:52:25 i personally am not ok with this set up. Sep 28 22:52:40 i think we should consider other resorts / youth hostel... max. 2-3 persons / room Sep 28 22:52:43 then? Sep 28 22:53:05 but i don't know what's the standard for GNOME hackfests... Sep 28 22:53:29 $100 per room Sep 28 22:53:39 shared by two people Sep 28 22:53:48 That's the stander in European Sep 28 22:53:56 emily, in asia, let's target less :) Sep 28 22:54:22 I asked my bro to talk to the owner of Holiday Inn in Bali. He said the discount isn't a problem. he just needs to know the specifics Sep 28 22:54:22 let's move on ? we have too many agenda today Sep 28 22:54:30 for Hong kong, i have an update Sep 28 22:54:31 great Sep 28 22:54:48 Holiday Inn is nice and price is reasonale Sep 28 22:55:04 my contact in hong kong told me they got turned down by universities to host the 5 days hackfest, but conference is possible Sep 28 22:55:10 wers: what would be the discounted rate then? Sep 28 22:55:13 and the capacity Sep 28 22:55:16 so they are sourcing resorts / youth hostel for the 5 days hackfest Sep 28 22:56:17 update from India : abharath met his university administration, explained them our plans about hackfest and conference, they will need some time to reply back, may be by next week they will reply back Sep 28 22:56:22 is it okay if it is like a 2 storey building (别墅）that can keep 4 - 8 people Sep 28 22:56:33 and then 10 blocks of them all together in a big area? Sep 28 22:56:43 We are not looking for any resort yet as we first want to make sure that we get university for our event which may be at zero cost. Sep 28 22:56:51 SFD_Fred, they're ok with the estimated number of guests. as for the rate, I don't know yet. I'll keep you posted when I get an update Sep 28 22:57:40 pockeylam: it probably depends on the room setup Sep 28 22:57:55 pockeylam: but it sounds like a nice setup if everyone has his own house Sep 28 22:57:59 SFD_Fred, it's like a normal camping house Sep 28 22:58:15 with kitchen, bedroom, toilet, a small living room Sep 28 22:58:18 each floor Sep 28 22:58:44 pockeylam: so they are sourcing resorts / youth hostel for the 5 days hackfest -- Who are "they" Sep 28 22:59:11 pockeylam: and how many bedrooms then? Sep 28 22:59:21 emily, 5 of them from hong kong, opensource.hk, hklug Sep 28 22:59:41 SFD_Fred, depends, i don't have the details, but in hong kong there are a lot of separate islands Sep 28 22:59:55 SFD_Fred, all the separate islands have these kinds of camping houses Sep 28 23:00:15 * abharath (~abharath@59.96.207.230) has joined #asia-summit Sep 28 23:00:19 emily, from free / open source communities in hk Sep 28 23:00:33 thanks Sep 28 23:00:40 any more quesiton about the venues update? Sep 28 23:00:47 I am very early for the next meeting I guess :D Sep 28 23:00:56 abharath: heh Sep 28 23:00:57 I'll follow up the meeting minutes :D Sep 28 23:00:58 abharath: hey! Sep 28 23:00:59 I'm so sorry but I have to go for now.... I'll just catch up on email Sep 28 23:01:04 AI: wers lakhil abharath utian pockey follow up on the venues and update the wiki page http://live.gnome.org/GnomeAsia/ResortVenue Sep 28 23:01:14 * wers has quit (OMG. I was beamed up. Baiiii) Sep 28 23:01:19 3) Update on the status of our three mailing lists Sep 28 23:01:21 ok Sep 28 23:01:30 terral, can you update us on this one? Sep 28 23:01:35 hey SFD_Fred :) Looks like you were the bully in here today :) Sep 28 23:01:37 sure. Sep 28 23:01:39 terral, when can we have the new mailing list :) Sep 28 23:01:45 ah? Sep 28 23:01:48 Looks like sometime this week Sep 28 23:01:52 abharath: what did I do? Sep 28 23:02:18 terral, great! Sep 28 23:02:24 SFD_Fred: :) naa since I was not around, maybe you teased wers to death :) he logged out as soon as I entered :D Sep 28 23:02:30 I want to confirm that you all still intend to keep the "summit" in the asia-summit-committee list name..... Sep 28 23:02:38 AI: terral follow up on the three mailing list and update us by email Sep 28 23:02:44 terral == wlashell? Sep 28 23:02:49 abharath: yes Sep 28 23:02:55 abharath, yes Sep 28 23:03:06 pockeylam: there was a slowdown trying to get some response from the sysadmin team. They are backed up a bit. Sep 28 23:03:08 abharath: i was actually waiting for both on you to be together in the same room.. but he is gone Sep 28 23:03:24 item 4) Brainstorm ideas for the event box / kit for local users group (everybody have a look at http://live.gnome.org/GnomeAsia/EventKit before the meeting) Sep 28 23:03:32 terral, it's ok, we wait for your update Sep 28 23:03:45 http://live.gnome.org/GnomeAsia/EventKit Sep 28 23:03:46 sure. I'll add my points after reading the meeting logs Sep 28 23:03:49 have anyone read this page? Sep 28 23:03:56 but I am sure the brave lakhil covered everything :D Sep 28 23:04:19 * abharath rasises his hand to pockeylam's question Sep 28 23:04:22 abharath, in decent manner :) Sep 28 23:04:25 I want to confirm that you all still intend to keep the "summit" in the asia-summit-committee list name..... -- Do we discuss this before going on? PockeyLam ? Sep 28 23:04:36 for the european event box , it's just one box with all the equipments plus gnome stuff , move around from one conference to another conference Sep 28 23:04:39 yes we should Sep 28 23:04:42 emily: apparently not. pockey just keeps on Sep 28 23:04:47 emily: yes we should discuss this Sep 28 23:04:57 emily, can be asia-committee Sep 28 23:05:08 terral, have you submitted yet? Sep 28 23:05:14 emily, let me check again my email :) Sep 28 23:06:01 the the specific names have not been submitted. Sep 28 23:06:09 terral, emily raised good point Sep 28 23:06:11 what's the matter with: asia-summit-committee ? Sep 28 23:06:15 terral, can we change the name to asia-committee Sep 28 23:06:29 is it too long ? asia-summit-committee Sep 28 23:06:46 emily, u prefer asia-committee or asia-summit-committee? Sep 28 23:06:50 actually i prefer asia-committee Sep 28 23:06:52 emily: we seem to be focusing on moving a.......... Sep 28 23:06:55 as it's not only the summit Sep 28 23:06:56 :) Sep 28 23:06:57 emily: didn't we say gnome.asia is more than just a summit? Sep 28 23:07:13 haha, yes Sep 28 23:07:15 good point Sep 28 23:07:16 emily, :) cool! Sep 28 23:07:34 terral, so please make sure the list of the committee is asia-summit :) Sep 28 23:07:38 no no Sep 28 23:07:43 terral, asia-committee Sep 28 23:07:51 haha pockeylam is too tired :D Sep 28 23:07:57 terral, so please make sure the list of the committee is asia-committee :) Sep 28 23:07:57 okay Sep 28 23:07:58 you know what Sep 28 23:08:02 mail me something Sep 28 23:08:05 abharath, LOL , true Sep 28 23:08:09 i'm tired of reading this spastic nonsesnse. Sep 28 23:08:13 me/ is drunk Sep 28 23:08:16 terral: :) Sep 28 23:08:24 pockeylam, ;-) Sep 28 23:08:43 terral, what spastic nonsense? Sep 28 23:08:43 pockeylam: Haha, really drunk ? Sep 28 23:08:53 terral: you mean plastic ? Sep 28 23:08:56 :p Sep 28 23:09:09 let get back to event box Sep 28 23:09:17 hehe :) Sep 28 23:09:19 for the european event box , it's just one box with all the equipments plus gnome stuff , move around from one conference to another conference Sep 28 23:09:57 we can have our own ideas for the asian event box Sep 28 23:10:06 * abharath passes terral some qì shuǐ :D Sep 28 23:10:10 so add your ideas in http://live.gnome.org/GnomeAsia/EventKit Sep 28 23:11:05 maybe we also need to think about how to finance our event box Sep 28 23:11:07 AI for everyone : add your ideas in http://live.gnome.org/GnomeAsia/EventKit Sep 28 23:11:08 so we would "build one" and share it in Asia? Sep 28 23:11:23 it's gnome.asia responsibilities Sep 28 23:11:41 SFD_Fred, depend on the content :-P Sep 28 23:11:46 hopefully this year we get enough sponsors money, and cover to make a few event boxes Sep 28 23:12:16 We can ask the cost for event box from GNOME foundation, pockeylam Sep 28 23:12:27 emily: +1 Sep 28 23:12:30 and also we need to dig out all the artworks for gnome posters / flyers / brochures, and allow easy access for asian contributors to localize Sep 28 23:12:46 but yeah how would the cost help if we plan to build it in Asia? Sep 28 23:13:11 emily: the cost is on the page Sep 28 23:13:25 emily, yeah, so we have two options Sep 28 23:13:27 but the cost does not reflect what we would want in a Box for GNOME.Asia Sep 28 23:13:38 but we also feel we need to adapt this content to our needs Sep 28 23:13:43 it would be better to figure out what we want for our own, and then try to cost that out. Sep 28 23:13:46 terral: exactly Sep 28 23:14:12 my suggestion is there in the page already, so everybody adds yours Sep 28 23:14:32 do we agreed what we need is more the option 2? Sep 28 23:14:36 i agree. i think an asian event box is a bit of a challenge due to the need to translate into different languages. But at least we could support the major languages that we have volunteers to help with. Sep 28 23:14:38