Sep 14 22:01:46 let's start? Sep 14 22:02:09 ok Sep 14 22:02:12 good Sep 14 22:02:17 agenda item 1) Update on GNOME.Asia 2011 briefing Sep 14 22:03:07 as we see from the emails sent these days, we need to check the cost of travel from our potential host countries to some european cities Sep 14 22:03:37 i checked the price here http://live.gnome.org/GnomeAsia/FlightCost Sep 14 22:04:17 and we also need prepare a survey to ask our targets Sep 14 22:04:44 pockeylam, why you pick 1st to 8th November 2010? for the date? Sep 14 22:05:02 utian, because i checked marh 2011, it became very expensive Sep 14 22:05:12 utian, as it's too far away Sep 14 22:05:14 utian, :) Sep 14 22:05:20 utian, it's like 5000 Euro Sep 14 22:05:39 wow Sep 14 22:05:50 utian, since we just take it as reference, and usually people buy it ~1 month in advance Sep 14 22:06:03 utian, so i take November 1st (around 1 month later) Sep 14 22:06:13 pockeylam, i see Sep 14 22:06:27 utian, it's just for reference, we can see the trend Sep 14 22:06:39 utian, but feel free to change the price if you found better offer Sep 14 22:07:21 pockeylam, :D, ok, but not now Sep 14 22:07:21 utian, by the way, your wiki account for gnome is UtianAyuba? Sep 14 22:07:56 utian, as i set admin right for AsiaGroup for some pages, only committee member can view and write, just wonder if i put it right Sep 14 22:08:07 sakana, what's your wiki account for live.gnome.org? Sep 14 22:08:15 sakana, i wanna add you in the committee group as well Sep 14 22:08:19 pockeylam, checking... Sep 14 22:08:31 pockeylam, checking Sep 14 22:08:34 sakana, utian thanks! Sep 14 22:08:55 so now there is a page at http://live.gnome.org/GnomeAsia/survey2011 Sep 14 22:09:19 only committee members can read and write Sep 14 22:09:44 we can all work together on the survey questions and define out potential targets Sep 14 22:11:10 I think now is the time to find out what we will offer to the survey participants Sep 14 22:11:15 ups i forget the username and password :D Sep 14 22:11:19 I wish Brian could be here Sep 14 22:11:54 utian, usually it's your full name, no? the worse case you register another one :) Sep 14 22:13:09 without a compelling plan for them why would they travel so far? Sep 14 22:13:40 pockeylam, My Account is "ChunHung Huang" Sep 14 22:14:13 sakana, can have a space in between? Sep 14 22:14:56 so in the survey, before asking questions, we will have a brief description about what's our plan to be and what's their benefits to join? Sep 14 22:15:09 pockeylam: yes.. Sep 14 22:15:11 pockeylam, There is a space between my first name and last name Sep 14 22:15:12 SFD_Fred, good idea Sep 14 22:15:20 a good plan should entice them to say YES I am IN! Sep 14 22:15:29 pockeylam, or may be i still dont have one, i'll chek more and tell you later, is it ok? Sep 14 22:15:35 SFD_Fred, they love to share Sep 14 22:15:41 utian, sure, please email to the list and tell me later Sep 14 22:16:10 AI: Utian to send his GNOME wiki account to Pockey to put in AsiaGroup Sep 14 22:16:25 SFD_Fred, but it has to be short, just a brief Sep 14 22:16:31 SFD_Fred, otherwise it will be like a proposal Sep 14 22:16:48 SFD_Fred, i think the survey will also help us to see if our targets are interested in it or not Sep 14 22:16:55 pockeylam: yes.. a paragraph Sep 14 22:18:10 SFD_Fred, no problem, i put the reminder in the wiki page for survey2011 Sep 14 22:18:32 so let's spend 5 mins to talk about who we should target? Sep 14 22:19:04 pockeylam, I've been wondering about that.. Sep 14 22:19:34 the survey is suppose to determine what would entice participants to join, right? Sep 14 22:19:43 i think utian and ... had a point. on a release date you get marketing and documentation people busy Sep 14 22:19:47 dev, not so much Sep 14 22:20:01 wers: yes.. what makes sense Sep 14 22:20:09 from brian's email , he mentioned (such as the GNOME release team, the docs Sep 14 22:20:09 team, the Marketing team, and others who will be involved with the Sep 14 22:20:09 actual mechanics of doing the launch) Sep 14 22:20:43 ok let's go back to the basics maybe. Sep 14 22:20:52 we want to hit strong and hard next year Sep 14 22:21:20 we've had 2 years of Gnome.asia with poor control over the finance and losing money Sep 14 22:21:47 so we're aiming at something similar as our first year where we end up being cash positive Sep 14 22:22:14 and since next year is GNOME 3.0 release it's a good opportunity to get the buzz in our way Sep 14 22:22:34 SFD_Fred, agreed Sep 14 22:22:43 doing a hackfest on the release day/week could help us to get some gnome contributors together and do the work in Asia Sep 14 22:22:56 so we should send the surveys to companies definitely Sep 14 22:23:02 thus attracting hidden gnomes in Asia Sep 14 22:23:19 yep. that's the important part. *in asia* Sep 14 22:23:26 or else, we'll be a guadec duplicate Sep 14 22:23:56 wers: well yes. guadec is for Europeans no? Sep 14 22:23:57 ;-) Sep 14 22:24:28 anyway we saw a big difference between 2009 and 2010 regardless of the funding issues Sep 14 22:24:57 2010 was a great achievement (like in Beijing) in the sense that we found some GNOME souls in Taiwan Sep 14 22:25:22 so things are moving and have a professionally organize conference focusing on technical subjects was a plus Sep 14 22:25:40 (for information 2009 was more generic 'use Foss' conference) Sep 14 22:26:08 we also need to dig out the GNOME contributors in Asia Sep 14 22:26:27 * utian listening... Sep 14 22:26:37 the surveys should be address to them as well, it's good to find them earlier and invite them to join :) Sep 14 22:27:05 u know, every year, we found a few more asian contributors for GNOME Sep 14 22:27:09 that we didn't know before Sep 14 22:27:17 so having high profile technically involved Gnome people should help us to achieve this Sep 14 22:27:28 maybe this year, we can start earlier to find them ;) Sep 14 22:27:35 SFD_Fred, definitely Sep 14 22:28:51 so to whom: Sep 14 22:28:53 1. GNOME release team Sep 14 22:28:53 1. GNOME docs team Sep 14 22:28:53 1. GNOME marketing team Sep 14 22:28:53 1. Others who will be involved with the actual mechanics of doing the launch Sep 14 22:28:53 1. companies - potential sponsors Sep 14 22:28:53 1. GNOME contributors living in Asia Sep 14 22:29:05 i think so yes Sep 14 22:29:09 pockeylam, sounds good Sep 14 22:29:17 so now we can get a few dev on top of that, and we should push for it Sep 14 22:29:28 but we need to remember who needs to do the work Sep 14 22:29:46 dev == Others who will be involved with the actual mechanics of doing the launch? Sep 14 22:29:48 hehe Sep 14 22:29:50 we have them already Sep 14 22:30:17 ok then. sounds good Sep 14 22:30:19 then for the survey we will have a brief introduction, let's draft it later Sep 14 22:30:24 now move to questions Sep 14 22:30:25 * sakana listening Sep 14 22:30:30 what kind of questions we should ask? :) Sep 14 22:30:40 i think first, should be location Sep 14 22:30:56 oh yes.. location location location Sep 14 22:30:59 yeah Sep 14 22:31:16 should we let them pick? Sep 14 22:31:17 number of days? Sep 14 22:31:19 sure Sep 14 22:31:21 we let them pick Sep 14 22:31:57 well it seems to be a standard 5 days Sep 14 22:32:00 ok Sep 14 22:32:18 i d like to add +1 for conference style open door Sep 14 22:32:38 we don't want visitors during the 5 'working days' Sep 14 22:32:52 ok Sep 14 22:32:54 but it would be nice to have a 1 day conference where people can come and listen to talks Sep 14 22:33:03 so I'd suggest 5+1 Sep 14 22:33:10 SFD_Fred, sure 5+1 Sep 14 22:33:10 ooh. yep. that's the purpose of the +1 Sep 14 22:33:36 for the "use foss" conference part Sep 14 22:33:56 wers: not really Sep 14 22:34:12 wers: more for developers curious in gnome technologies Sep 14 22:34:21 wers: i see the 5 days as working days Sep 14 22:34:21 another question can be: Do you want to attend the upcoming GNOME.Asia 2011 Sep 14 22:34:26 and ask why Sep 14 22:34:28 getting doc finished and online Sep 14 22:34:34 marketing materials etc Sep 14 22:34:41 and then select the countries from a list Sep 14 22:34:53 so someone (even asian) attending will be working and not chit chatting with the people busy Sep 14 22:35:08 and they should commit to the full 5 days Sep 14 22:35:14 (i might be wrong on this one) Sep 14 22:35:41 commit to full 5 days :) Sep 14 22:36:22 they're coming to write lines of stuff.. not listen to people talking Sep 14 22:36:45 If there is a tour the day after the whole events, will you attend? ;) Sep 14 22:36:47 sorry all, before i miss more, this survey is for current developer or for prospective developer (hackfest participants)? Sep 14 22:37:05 utian, yes, the survey is for our potential targets to join the hackfest Sep 14 22:37:21 pockeylam, ok Sep 14 22:37:21 utian, to see if they are interested to join before we decided to host Sep 14 22:38:00 * yippi (~bc99092@sca-ea-fw-1.Sun.COM) has joined #asia-summit Sep 14 22:38:05 Will you encourage any of your friends, co-workers or colleagues to attend the event? Sep 14 22:38:07 yippi, hi Sep 14 22:38:12 wow. hi yippi ! Sep 14 22:38:37 hi, sorry i'm late. Sep 14 22:38:49 yippi, it's ok, so cool u can join us now Sep 14 22:38:59 yippi, we are brainstorming the survey questions and targets Sep 14 22:39:11 anything i can do to help? Sep 14 22:39:13 yippi, and i m filling them in real time here http://live.gnome.org/GnomeAsia/survey2011 Sep 14 22:39:16 Will you encourage any of your friends, co-workers or colleagues to attend the event? <--------- I like this one Sep 14 22:39:21 utian: it's also to see if poeple in Europe would join Sep 14 22:39:26 To Whom Sep 14 22:39:26 1. GNOME release team Sep 14 22:39:26 2. GNOME docs team Sep 14 22:39:26 3. GNOME marketing team Sep 14 22:39:26 4. Others e.g. developers who will be involved with the actual mechanics of doing the launch Sep 14 22:39:26 5. companies - potential sponsors Sep 14 22:39:26 6. GNOME contributors living in Asia Sep 14 22:39:48 yippi, we are defining whom we will send the survey to ask questions, what do u think? Sep 14 22:40:06 looks good Sep 14 22:40:14 yippi, and then for questions Sep 14 22:40:18 yippi: hi Sep 14 22:40:47 yippi, first fred suggested to have a paragraph of introduction for the event before asking questions Sep 14 22:41:19 yippi, then we will ask them questions like whether they are interested to join, the locations Sep 14 22:41:33 how about these question: "would you like to contribute to GNOME Project after the event?" Sep 14 22:41:52 utian, hehe, they should be contributing already :) Sep 14 22:42:08 What's your best point for GNOME.Asia this year? Sep 14 22:43:14 * terral (~wlashell@67.51.139.235) has joined #asia-summit Sep 14 22:43:30 sakana, what do u mean? Sep 14 22:43:46 for question^^ Sep 14 22:43:58 best point? Sep 14 22:44:01 sadly, asiasummit, was not asia-summit bleah Sep 14 22:44:02 terral: hey! How was the sleep? ;-) (don t say short... ) Sep 14 22:44:17 terral, what happened? Sep 14 22:44:26 so for questions, so far we have: Sep 14 22:44:27 1. Do you want to join the upcoming GNOME.Asia 2011? why? Sep 14 22:44:27 1. Where do you want it to host? a list of countries / cities Sep 14 22:44:27 1. If there is a one day tour offered to participants, will you join? Sep 14 22:44:27 1. If yes, what kind of places you would like to go? multiple choice Sep 14 22:44:27 1. Will you encourage any of your friends, co-workers or colleagues to attend the event? Sep 14 22:45:12 * sakana thinking ... Sep 14 22:45:20 what about: Have you ever heard about GNOME.Asia? where? a list to choose? Sep 14 22:45:39 sakana: is that a question? ;-) Sep 14 22:46:00 Any suggestions on the GNOME.Asia 2011 event? Sep 14 22:46:07 SFD_Fred, ^^|| Sep 14 22:46:41 I think it would be good to have something to entice people to want to come. Sep 14 22:47:15 for example, if we could get some high profile people to say they will come, then others will want to. Sep 14 22:47:30 yippi, good, we will add that in the introduction Sep 14 22:47:45 So, perhaps rather than just sending an email to the GNOME release team and the marketing team, it might be good to first have a 1-on-1 discussion with the leaders of the two teams. Sep 14 22:48:04 yippi, sounds good Sep 14 22:48:17 yippi, agree Sep 14 22:48:21 yippi: if we can.. that'd be great Sep 14 22:48:33 yippi, agreed Sep 14 22:48:34 and perhaps a few other important people in the community (such as people like Owen Taylor, Vincent Untz, Jon McCann, etc.) Sep 14 22:49:04 Then in the introduction we could use quotes from those people about why others should want to come. Sep 14 22:49:05 yippi, that would be great Sep 14 22:49:30 yippi, sure it will help a lot Sep 14 22:49:34 Also, I think it would be good to get feedback from a handful of leaders before we move too much further. Sep 14 22:49:47 if nobody thinks it is a good idea, then perhaps we should think of something else, for example. Sep 14 22:50:02 but if people are excited, then we know we have a good shot at success. Sep 14 22:50:10 pockeylam, are 6 people above who will become hackfest participants? i thought its for a new guy? Sep 14 22:50:10 yippi, yep Sep 14 22:50:42 utian, we will have both contributors / high profile people and existing contributors of gnome in asia Sep 14 22:50:58 perhaps it would be good to do the survey, and just send it to the 10 people we most want to attend and see what they think Sep 14 22:51:15 and if we get good response, widen it to the whole release team, whole marketing team, etc. Sep 14 22:51:30 perhaps modifying the survey a bit to reflect any feedback we got from the first round. Sep 14 22:51:51 yippi, yep, so we will draft the survey this week and let you help us to talk to them first? Sep 14 22:52:35 how much help from me do you need? Do you need me to provide you with their email addresses or something, or do you need me to pick the people for you? Sep 14 22:52:55 yippi: both? Sep 14 22:53:09 yippi, please help to pick them and also provide emails, then i can follow up with them :) Sep 14 22:53:28 so who do we think are the most important people who should attend? Sep 14 22:53:53 yippi, i want to confirm one thing first Sep 14 22:53:58 otaylor@redhat.com, mccann@redhat.com. Sep 14 22:54:05 yippi, the hackfest will be more like a marketing hackfest? Sep 14 22:54:14 do you really need help with getting the email addresses, that took me like 2 seconds on Google. Sep 14 22:54:31 we are free to define the hackfest to be what we want it to be. Sep 14 22:54:31 yippi: lol Sep 14 22:54:35 ok then.. maybe not Sep 14 22:54:50 yippi, haha, thanks! Sep 14 22:55:06 i'd say paul cutler should be in the first round of people we ask. Sep 14 22:55:09 yippi: but what would make sense for a release week? does everyone has something to do? Sep 14 22:55:17 since he leads the marketing folks, and Vincent from the release team. Sep 14 22:55:25 yippi, how about you suggest some friendly gnome people for us to get feedback? Sep 14 22:55:44 * emily (~emily@221.223.93.189) has joined #asia-summit Sep 14 22:55:47 i think it would make sense to have an event that is focused on making GNOME 3 successful. This involves a few things: Sep 14 22:55:58 1. Actually doing the release. The marketing and release team will have work to do at this time, obviously. Sep 14 22:56:23 2. Promoting the release, raising attention to it. Having people talk about it, educate people about it, etc. Sep 14 22:56:47 hi emily :) Sep 14 22:56:49 3. Celebrating the release Sep 14 22:57:30 4. Dealing with technical issues on the way. Responding to users who need help, have questions Sep 14 22:57:50 perhaps we should organize a support desk, for example where people can ask questions and get help. Sep 14 22:58:10 remotely or on site? Sep 14 22:58:28 perhaps both Sep 14 22:58:29 hi everyone Sep 14 22:58:40 and there's probably other things we can think of Sep 14 22:58:43 yippi, so the hackfest is open for public to join? or just for invitation? Sep 14 22:58:44 emily, hi Sep 14 22:58:55 Happy to join the meeting at the last minute . I am @home now Sep 14 22:59:11 emily, hi Sep 14 22:59:16 emily, welcome we are talking about the hackfest objectives. and fred kept notes already Sep 14 22:59:19 i'd say it would make sense to have a weeklong private hackfest and to use a day of the weekend to have some talks open to the public. Sep 14 22:59:29 perhaps two days of talks over the weekend. Sep 14 22:59:33 yippi, yep, that's exactly what we wanted :) Sep 14 22:59:40 emily, hi Sep 14 22:59:42 yippi, and also both technical and marketing hackfest Sep 14 23:00:14 it could be like "command central" Sep 14 23:00:42 we should rent a venue that looks like you could manage a space launch there Sep 14 23:00:58 yippi, LOL Sep 14 23:01:04 heh Sep 14 23:01:14 yippi, space musium in hong kong ;) Sep 14 23:01:24 then take a lot of photos Sep 14 23:01:25 yippi: oh yes.. talking about that. What does the perfect location look like in terms of rooms, space etc Sep 14 23:01:38 i think "perfect" means different things to different people Sep 14 23:01:43 probably most important is price Sep 14 23:01:47 we want it to be affordable. Sep 14 23:01:49 yippi: typical then Sep 14 23:01:51 or people won't come. Sep 14 23:02:38 yep. making people come is the first priority Sep 14 23:02:54 the location would need to be someplace that people from the u.s. or europe will consider coming. Sep 14 23:03:02 so not too far away. Sep 14 23:03:05 unless we could work some deal. Sep 14 23:03:24 in this bad economy, we might have some pull if we can bring several hundred people to a resort location for example. Sep 14 23:03:25 yippi: pockeylam did the pricing survey on flight tickets Sep 14 23:03:31 yippi: it's on the wiki Sep 14 23:03:31 yippi, mm i checked some price for reference here http://live.gnome.org/GnomeAsia/FlightCost Sep 14 23:03:41 yippi: http://live.gnome.org/GnomeAsia/FlightCost Sep 14 23:03:53 yippi, basically , india and hong kong are quite similar the flight cost Sep 14 23:04:17 if we could get discounts on hotel, etc. in exchange for bringing several hundred guests somewhere then that could put us in the position of offering something like a resort but at inexpensive cost. Sep 14 23:04:31 might be good to talk with a travel agent and see if we could get a deal Sep 14 23:05:03 yippi, for resorts, maybe indonesian and india are better, utian ? Sep 14 23:05:21 several hundred guests? Sep 14 23:05:55 pockeylam, yeah i did survey already for the resort Sep 14 23:06:14 this one Sep 14 23:06:16 http://www.mitrakonservasi.co.id/ Sep 14 23:06:21 utian, thanks Sep 14 23:06:22 its located in bogor Sep 14 23:06:35 for hong kong, we have separate island Sep 14 23:06:38 utian: the city of rain? Sep 14 23:06:47 utian, it looks nice Sep 14 23:06:50 and i think the price is make sense Sep 14 23:07:16 i mean inexpensive Sep 14 23:07:24 the prices are a bit high aren't they for travel Sep 14 23:07:39 i am gonna use that place also for indonesia linux conference :D Sep 14 23:07:50 next month Sep 14 23:07:52 yippi, you mean the flight price? Sep 14 23:08:19 utian: are we invited? Sep 14 23:09:02 SFD_Fred, ya bogor is city of rain :D Sep 14 23:09:04 utian, let's also think of how international guest would go to bogor. is it convenient for them to commute to the location from the international airport? Sep 14 23:09:38 utian, can you talk to the resorts about a deal for 100 or several hundreds people? Sep 14 23:09:41 SFD_Fred, you should come, but no transport sponsor Sep 14 23:09:52 wers: yes quit eok Sep 14 23:09:53 i am in another phone meeting. i will read minutes later Sep 14 23:09:55 quite ok Sep 14 23:09:59 emily, sure Sep 14 23:10:22 wers, its take 2hours from int airport, 2 hours max if theres a trafic jam Sep 14 23:10:35 utian, and what's the resort capacity? Sep 14 23:10:42 pockeylam, the capacity is for 120 people Sep 14 23:10:43 utian: 2 hours by train, taxi, ? Sep 14 23:10:56 utian, but internet needs to pay? :) Sep 14 23:10:57 terral, bus Sep 14 23:11:04 utian, two hours are reasonable Sep 14 23:11:09 ug Sep 14 23:11:17 utian, how's the speed of internet? Sep 14 23:11:21 pockeylam: reasonable, but its not fun. Sep 14 23:11:33 if trafic ok you only take 1 hours from airport Sep 14 23:11:33 terral, well, cheap place is like this :) Sep 14 23:11:36 pockeylam: max speed: 256 Kbps Sep 14 23:11:38 terral, hehe Sep 14 23:11:47 utian, SFD_Fred, 256 kbps.... Sep 14 23:11:51 pockeylam, i'll get the sponsor for the internet Sep 14 23:11:56 2 hours is ok if you stay 1 week... Sep 14 23:12:30 pockeylam, , i can get at least 1 mbps Sep 14 23:12:57 I hope, it's also okay for survey respondents.. Sep 14 23:13:05 utian, u mean u can get sponsor for the gnome.asia 2011 from sponsors? ;) Sep 14 23:13:15 pockeylam, we not use internet from the resort Sep 14 23:13:33 pockeylam, we gonna get from local isp around the resort Sep 14 23:14:23 utian, but for the resorts idea for gnome.asia we will need to do everything in the resorts, hacking and sleeping Sep 14 23:14:48 pockeylam, for internet sponsor yeah, its the easiest thing for me here :D Sep 14 23:15:02 utian, good Sep 14 23:15:21 pockeylam, yeah i see, if you need to center of city its only take 15-30minutes Sep 14 23:15:29 from the resort Sep 14 23:15:31 utian: no swimming pool? Sep 14 23:15:39 mall, cineplex Sep 14 23:15:41 utian, no problem , sounds good Sep 14 23:15:50 i hack much better when in the water Sep 14 23:15:54 :P Sep 14 23:16:29 SFD_Fred, o ya.. unfortunately no swimming pool Sep 14 23:16:33 SFD_Fred, :D Sep 14 23:16:47 SFD_Fred, i'll do survey another resort Sep 14 23:16:56 SFD_Fred, it's okay, it rains all the time, u can swin in the mud Sep 14 23:17:01 utian: volcano lava then maybe? Sep 14 23:17:12 utian, he was kidding.. Sep 14 23:17:12 mud bath.. ok Sep 14 23:17:30 terral: and no no will, we will not have mud fights! ;-) Sep 14 23:17:33 utian, do u think we can get a better offer if we can get 120 people? Sep 14 23:17:36 SFD_Fred, no... the mountain is incative Sep 14 23:17:43 utian, if it's gonna be in Bali, would it be difficult to organize? Sep 14 23:17:47 utian, how about a conference room(s) for the 1 day weekend conference? Sep 14 23:18:14 wers: problem is local GNOME hackers are scarce I think Sep 14 23:18:31 pockeylam, ya, thereis a package for many people Sep 14 23:18:32 wers: closer to a populated area is better Sep 14 23:18:57 conference room is include in the package Sep 14 23:18:59 india has nice resorts as well no? Sep 14 23:19:02 SFD_Fred, Bali would be a good "reason to go" for the participants of the 5-day hackfest. I guess, the last conference day would be the tradeoff... Sep 14 23:19:10 utian, so the conference room can sit 120 people? Sep 14 23:19:10 our Indian friend didn't show up... unfortunately Sep 14 23:19:30 utian, and how about the rooms, how many hotel rooms for guest to sleep ? Sep 14 23:19:31 wers: yeah.. but then what about started a local GNOME UG? Sep 14 23:19:53 for the public conference (last day), i recomend city hall Sep 14 23:20:09 bogor city hall Sep 14 23:20:35 utian, capacity? ;) Sep 14 23:20:38 SFD_Fred, that's going to be a tradeoff if Indonesian GNOME users live or will go to Bogor Sep 14 23:21:05 I mean, if they live in or are willing to travel to Bogor for the conference. same goes for other locations in the country Sep 14 23:22:01 utian, it's okay, you can check later :) Sep 14 23:22:34 pockeylam, 30 rooms and 2 dormitory Sep 14 23:22:48 utian, sounds good Sep 14 23:23:08 the dormitory 120beds Sep 14 23:23:19 rooms -> 2 or 3 beds Sep 14 23:23:33 utian, i may send you separate emails to ask more questions regarding the venues :) Sep 14 23:23:55 utian, please also see if the internet is good when u have your linux event? Sep 14 23:24:13 ok pockeylam Sep 14 23:24:13 utian, when is your event in the resort Sep 14 23:24:36 yippi: do Gnome developers share rooms? Sep 14 23:24:50 European or American ones Sep 14 23:25:07 wers, Bali is good but difficult to organize Sep 14 23:25:18 i dont have much friend there Sep 14 23:25:24 SFD_Fred: in past conferences, yes depending on who it is. Sep 14 23:25:49 yes, it's normal to just have 2-3 rooms where hackers can break into groups and work. Sep 14 23:25:54 terral: thank you. I have no idea, so I'm asking Sep 14 23:26:06 SFD_Fred: and there has been sharing of space for Boston in the past too Sep 14 23:26:09 utian, ooh. ok Sep 14 23:26:14 yippi: 2-3 beds, not rooms ;-) Sep 14 23:26:28 yippi, even at nights , to sleep? they share the same room? Sep 14 23:26:30 * sakana__ (~yaaic@221-120-68-14.dynamic.hinet.net) has joined #asia-summit Sep 14 23:26:53 yes, it's normal for developers to share rooms Sep 14 23:27:01 yippi, good :) Sep 14 23:27:04 yippi: ok.. thanks Sep 14 23:27:36 yippi, so seems indonesia is a choice, and utian will get back to us for the resort package offer for one two hundreds people Sep 14 23:28:02 pockeylam: how much more expensive were the tickets? Sep 14 23:28:21 SFD_Fred, 15 , 20 % Sep 14 23:28:36 pockeylam: tx Sep 14 23:28:49 for the ticket prices, i checked from big airline official sites, so their price is not promotional price Sep 14 23:29:01 just for reference... to see the ratio of differences between countries Sep 14 23:29:10 utian, how accessible is the bus from jakarata international airport? Sep 14 23:29:17 so, we have covered most of our agenda of today Sep 14 23:29:50 wers, 24 hours Sep 14 23:30:14 utian, I meant, is it easy to get to the bus station for foreign guests? Sep 14 23:30:36 i'll arange also to pickup participant who need it Sep 14 23:30:57 utian, cool! Sep 14 23:31:04 wers, the bus is in the airport area Sep 14 23:31:14 the challenge will just be the different times of arrival for each participant Sep 14 23:31:20 another AI: we also need to ask BharathAcharya to check for resorts package as venues for a capacity of e.g. 200 Sep 14 23:32:39 so that's it for today? Sep 14 23:33:05 we can work together on the survey under our wiki : http://live.gnome.org/GnomeAsia Sep 14 23:33:09 ok, i'll check more about everything here Sep 14 23:33:20 utian, and i will make a page for resort Sep 14 23:33:36 utian, when you find your wiki account, please update the wiki page :) Sep 14 23:33:48 pockeylam, ok Sep 14 23:34:11 utian, what areas in Indonesia will be easy for you to organize? I can ask some friends about hotels.. Sep 14 23:34:44 wers, jakarta, bogor, depok Sep 14 23:34:52 utian, ok. thanks Sep 14 23:35:26 utian, http://live.gnome.org/action/edit/GnomeAsia/ResortVenue Sep 14 23:36:11 ok pockeylam Sep 14 23:36:13 utian, please put the details inside :) like the link, the offer, internet, conference room capacity, hotel room capacity, hours to airport, and so on Sep 14 23:36:16 utian, thanks a lot ! Sep 14 23:36:26 ok. do we have anything else to discuss for tonight? :) Sep 14 23:36:43 wers, it's a bit long the meeting, so we will end soon Sep 14 23:36:47 ok Sep 14 23:36:48 wers, anything u want to discuss? Sep 14 23:37:02