13:51 < OgMaciel> There's still time to add your topic here:  https://live.gnome.org/FoundationBoard/MembersAgenda
14:00 < OgMaciel> ok
14:00 < OgMaciel> Good morning everyone to another IRC meeting
14:01 < OgMaciel> as nobody has added topics to today's agenda, we're going to wing it
14:01 < stormy> good morning
14:01 < OgMaciel> so anyone can come up with their topic at any time
14:01 < desrt> hello
14:01 < OgMaciel> :)
14:02 < OgMaciel> does anyone have anything they'd like to discuss?
14:02 < desrt> nice.  i like quick meetings. :)
14:02 < OgMaciel> hehehe
14:03 < desrt> i saw in recent minutes from a board meeting that a new position is being created within the community
14:03 < OgMaciel> ?
14:03 < desrt> is there any more information available about that?
14:04 < OgMaciel> desrt: can you point me to it?
14:04 < desrt>   * Bastien recommends nominating a leader to deal with situations of
14:04 < desrt>     conflict within the GNOME community to help with technical issues,
14:04 < desrt>     like when patches are not accepted.
14:04 < desrt>     * Bastien - To put together a proposal for how technical issues
14:04 < desrt>       could be mediated within the community.
14:04 < desrt> in the minutes for may 24th
14:05 < OgMaciel> ahhh.... let me see if hadess is around or someone else from the Board as I was absent from that meeting
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14:05 < OgMaciel> yippi: you perhaps?
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14:07 < yippi> i'm here, yes
14:07 < OgMaciel> desrt: from what you posted I'm not sure if a new position will actually be created... sounds like hadess is still thinking things through
14:07 < yippi> but, I don't really know any more about Bastien's action items.
14:07 < OgMaciel> yippi: do you have any more information about what desrt is asking?
14:08 < desrt> no worries.  just curious.
14:08 < desrt> it seems that we have failed to attract the critical mass required to have a meaningful meeting...
14:08 < yippi> I don't think hadess or the board has yet determined that a new position is going to be created.  It was my understanding that he was going to provide a proposal.
14:09 < OgMaciel> good, that's what I got out of the minutes too
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14:13 < OgMaciel> heya BLUG_Fred 
14:13 < yippi> in the foundation election results, it seems Diego got 12 votes and Ryan got 10.
14:14 < OgMaciel> first votes, yes
14:14 < yippi> so this isn't confusing?
14:14 < OgMaciel> to me, yes
14:15 < desrt> yes.  it's a result of our whacky voting system
14:15 < desrt> which is actually less whacky than last time, as i understand it
14:15 < desrt> and it's now the second time that this exact thing has happened to diego
14:15 < OgMaciel> I never really understood it
14:16 < desrt> essentially, more people listed me as a 2nd, 3rd, 4th, etc. choice
14:16 < OgMaciel> desrt: right... I think I received last first votes than him last time?
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14:16 < desrt> diego was more likely to either someone's first choice or not listed at all
14:16 < OgMaciel> s/last/less
14:16 < desrt> OgMaciel: yes.  exactly.
14:16 < ebassi> http://stv.humancube.com/ - simple flash simulator :-)
14:16 < desrt> diego beat you in first votes, but you received more transfered votes
14:17 < OgMaciel> yeah... like I said, I never understood this... I've been on the other side too
14:17 < OgMaciel> I ran 3 times
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14:17 < stormy> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_Transferable_Vote has a good example
14:17 < andreasn_> (sorry for the late arrival)
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14:18 < OgMaciel> andreasn_: no worries
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14:18 < OgMaciel> for those who just arrived, we're talking about the preliminary results of the Foundation election and how confusing they are :)
14:19 < reinouts> OgMaciel: how are they confusing?
14:19 < OgMaciel> Diego got 12 votes and Ryan got 10 but Ryan will be elected
14:19 < reinouts> that's all part of the voting system, right? It's about order of preference
14:20 < fujii_> Well, Diego got 12 first votes, but Ryan got more votes overall, since the vote is transferable ;)
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14:20 < ebassi> can the board clarify one bit to me? Paul has left his seat, which has been transferred to stormy. this means that stormy will be on the board of directors for the duration of the current board, and then will be on the next term. is that correct?
14:20 < fujii_> And hi too!
14:20 < stormy> ebassi, yes
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14:20 < ebassi> stormy: thanks :-)
14:21 < OgMaciel> I am  not saying the results are unfair, just that the way things get presented is confusing
14:21 < ebassi> OgMaciel: yes. vuntz noted that last year
14:21 < stormy> ebassi, but last year we invited the new board to join the meetings pretty soon after the elections.
14:21 < stormy> To have overlap/continuity.
14:21 < andreasn_> ebassi, sorry if that was unclear in the announcement
14:21 < ebassi> OgMaciel: the solution is not to report the first votes
14:22 < ebassi> andreasn_: no problem; I'm probably just low on caffeine :-)
14:22 < OgMaciel> ebassi: sounds like a good plan to me too
14:25 < OgMaciel> does anyone have questions about the Desktop Summit?
14:26 < OgMaciel> andreasn_: maybe a good time to give an update and perhaps get some volunteers?
14:27 < andreasn_> yes
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14:28 < andreasn_> not too much to report that I can think of
14:28 < andreasn_> we have some sponsors up on the website now!
14:29 < OgMaciel> cool
14:29 < andreasn_> make sure to get good hotel prices https://www.desktopsummit.org/news/reserve-accommodation-conference-rates-soon
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14:31 < OgMaciel> andreasn_: do we need volunteers to help out with anything?
14:32 < andreasn_> I think there are always local volunteers needed, so any locals who are not yet involved should be!
14:32 < OgMaciel> how does one get in touch/learns what is needed?
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14:33 < andreasn_> #desktopsummit on server irc.freenode.org
14:33 < andreasn_> or e-mail ds-team@desktopsummit.org
14:34 < OgMaciel> awesome
14:35 < andreasn_> I'll make sure to blog and/or send an e-mail to foundation-list if anything urgent pops up
14:39  * OgMaciel starts calling on people  :)
14:39 < OgMaciel> how about you fujii_ ? any questions? :)
14:45 < andreasn_> meeting over I guess? When is the next meeting?
14:46 < OgMaciel> andreasn_: 29th of June
14:48 < andreasn_> great!
14:48 < andreasn_> see you all then, and before as well!
14:48 < andreasn_> need to run!
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14:50 < OgMaciel> we still have some time for a couple of questions, comments
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14:57 < reinouts> OgMaciel: Was the voter turnout better or worse than last time?
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14:57 <@OgMaciel> reinouts: great question! I don't know the answer to that though... yippi_ do you?
14:58 <@OgMaciel> would be great to ask someone from the membership committee
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14:58 < reinouts> IIRC last time there was a discussion about how to get more members interested in casting their ballot
14:58 < reinouts> This time it was about 50% right? Not really great
15:00 <@OgMaciel> sounds like a good thread to start
15:01 <@OgMaciel> ... couldn't find anyone from the membership committee
15:03 -!- OgMaciel changed the topic of #foundation to: Next GNOME Foundation IRC Meeting: Wednesday  June 29th, 2011 @14:00 UTC | http://live.gnome.org/FoundationBoard/MeetingAgenda