11:40:47 [Users #foundation] 11:40:47 [@OgMaciel] [ desrt ] [ fredp ] [ jwendell] [ pcutler ] [ stormy] 11:40:47 [ aday ] [ eeejay ] [ gpoo ] [ kairo ] [ pockeylam] [ vuntz ] 11:40:47 [ afranke ] [ fargiolas ] [ hadess ] [ marina ] [ scaroo ] [ yippi ] 11:40:47 [ andreasn] [ fmuellner|bbl] [ jjmarin_afk] [ msantana] [ seb128 ] [ zana ] 11:40:47 [ bratsche] [ fredm ] [ jrb ] [ pbor ] [ shaunm ] 11:40:47 -!- Irssi: #foundation: Total of 29 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 28 normal] 10:06 < pcutler> shall we get started? 10:06 < desrt> sure 10:06 < pcutler> The agenda is here: http://live.gnome.org/FoundationBoard/MeetingAgenda 10:06 < pcutler> please add to it if there is something you'd like to talk about 10:06 -!- marina [~marina@c-24-61-12-69.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #foundation 10:07 < pcutler> first up is applications in GNOME 3 10:07 < pcutler> there has been a lot of discussion on d-d-l, and we just wanted to open it up to any quesitons anyone might have 10:07 < pcutler> (that and we wanted to put vuntz to work) 10:07 < vuntz> oh, wait, I have an appointment with the dentist 10:08 -!- SFD_Fred [~fred@119.121.76.175] has joined #foundation 10:08 < andreasn> his teeth is fine 10:08 -!- pockeylam [~pockeylam@119.121.76.175] has joined #foundation 10:08 * vuntz waits to see if there's any question 10:08 -!- fargiolas [~fargiolas@anon-10-189.ipredate.net] has joined #foundation 10:09 < pcutler> vuntz: can you take a minute and talk about the goals of apps in GNOME and how we want to be more welcoming? 10:09 -!- pbor [~paolo@host186-84-dynamic.44-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #foundation 10:09 -!- jjmarin [547da7a7@ircip1.mibbit.com] has joined #foundation 10:10 < vuntz> so the background is at http://mail.gnome.org/archives/devel-announce-list/2010-October/msg00001.html 10:10 -!- seb128 [~seb128@138.210.92.194] has left #foundation [] 10:10 -!- seb128 [~seb128@138.210.92.194] has joined #foundation 10:10 < vuntz> the very short story is that we don't want to limit the definition of a gnome app to a closed subset of what we ship 10:11 < vuntz> at the moment, to be an official gnome app, the app has to be useful to many users (since it's required to be part of the desktop moduleset) 10:12 -!- fredp [~fredp@luzerne.au-quotidien.com] has joined #foundation 10:12 < vuntz> but an application can be 100% gnomey and still be useful to only, say, french people 10:12 -!- fmuellner [~florian@80.30.150.48] has joined #foundation 10:12 -!- sense [~sense@138.210.92.194] has joined #foundation 10:13 < desrt> i wonder if we are maybe trying to have too large of a scope for the gnome project 10:13 < vuntz> another case is that we don't want to penalize great competing apps if we do bless one app 10:13 < desrt> to me it seems like "GNOME" should be the core desktop stuff 10:13 < vuntz> the usual rhythbmox vs banshee topic 10:13 < desrt> say, the things installed by default or something like that 10:13 < desrt> or the things that 90% of users will use 10:13 < vuntz> (where we could choose to say rb is the official gnome app, and just alienate the whole banshee community away from the gnome one) 10:14 -!- sankarshan [~sankarsha@nat-pool-pnq-t.redhat.com] has joined #foundation 10:14 < desrt> at the same time, we can export a bunch of ideas that we want other apps to follow 10:14 < desrt> offer them free hosting 10:14 < desrt> etc 10:14 < vuntz> desrt: that's part of the reorganization, where we propose the core desktop 10:14 < desrt> and they can be "gnomey" without being gnome 10:14 < desrt> vuntz: it seems like this "non-core GNOME" distinction is a bit synthetic 10:15 < vuntz> what do you mean? 10:15 < desrt> is it unhealty to have apps written to be used with gnome but that are not part of gnome? 10:15 * vuntz points out that desrt and he are one meter away ;-) 10:15 < desrt> eh.... 1.5 10:15 < vuntz> oh, it's definitely not 10:15 -!- Marcelo [~chatzilla@200.206.85.31] has joined #foundation 10:16 < vuntz> but I think we do want them to feel part of the project 10:16 < vuntz> to be part of the gnome community 10:16 < vuntz> not to be just some random external group of people 10:16 -!- Marcelo is now known as m_rodrigues 10:16 < vuntz> of course, they don't have to be 10:16 < vuntz> that's up to them 10:16 <@OgMaciel> 10:13:31 < desrt> to me it seems like "GNOME" should be the core desktop stuff 10:16 < desrt> vuntz: i think that if we want to do that then we need to *vastly* lower the barriers to entry in our infrastructure 10:17 <@OgMaciel> desrt: do you mean platform or desktop? 10:17 < desrt> OgMaciel: i'm not totally sure i appreciate the distinction to be honest 10:17 < jjmarin> vuntz: that's a good point, GNOME is people and we want a lot of people :) 10:17 < desrt> i mean to include obvious cases like nautilus and panel 10:18 < desrt> ^Wshell 10:18 < robert_ancell> I would like to see information on how best to leverage gnome services, e.g. translations. i.e. "to get automatic translations use the GNOME git server. If you choose not to use GNOME git then you should xxx to enable your application to be translated" 10:18 -!- bratsche [~cody@138.210.92.194] has joined #foundation 10:18 < bratsche> Word. 10:18 <@OgMaciel> desrt: sure the line between what comprises the platform and the desktop can be a bit fuzzy 10:18 < jwendell> we should limit the power of having a git account. by offering free hosting means giving lots of git accounts 10:19 < desrt> jwendell: yes. that's exactly where i was interested in driving this conversation 10:19 <@OgMaciel> robert_ancell, jwendell please add your topics to the agenda 10:19 < andreasn> I heard kde is setting up their own gitorius 10:19 < vuntz> the infrastructure thing is another part of the topic 10:19 < jwendell> it's on the topic 10:19 < desrt> i don't think we want to go "tiered" for git accounts 10:19 < desrt> but maybe that's what is needed 10:19 -!- jrb [~jrb@nat-pool-3-rdu.redhat.com] has joined #foundation 10:20 < vuntz> for the app part of the moduleset reorg, there's the idea that we accept projects hosted elsewhere (which raises several issues we have to work on, like translators' workflow) 10:21 < pcutler> for the sake of time, we'll move on to the next topic, if anyone has anything to add i'd recommend adding to the thread on d-d-l 10:21 < shaunm> vuntz: but I think the biggest objections to the app moduleset is the hosting and workflow thing 10:21 < pbor> so, with the proposed reorganization, will the "apps" have the same amount of qa? will they be built and smoketested before a release? 10:22 < pcutler> the next topic is GNOME 3 videos: 10:22 < jwendell> pbor, that's quite impossible 10:22 < pcutler> Jason Clinton has been driving this in the Marketing team. I can't seem to find the link on the wiki now that I need it. 10:23 -!- hevauq [~anuz@131.227.236.57] has left #foundation [] 10:23 < pbor> jwendell: I know, hence my question... 10:23 < vuntz> (shaunm: more the workflow than the hosting itself, but yeah; we need to work on that) 10:23 < pcutler> But he needs help and will be at the Boston Summit - we're looking for things we should highlight about GNOME 3.0 that can be featured in a 30 second to 1 minute video showing a screencast with a voice over explaining the new features 10:23 < pockeylam> pcutler, http://live.gnome.org/GnomeMarketing/Gnome3In30Seconds ? 10:24 < pcutler> pockeylam: that's it, thanks! 10:24 < jwendell> basically 'new features' == gnome shell, right? 10:24 < andreasn> Dan Williams said we could reach out to the fedora design people to help with videos 10:24 < pcutler> jwendell: I think we have more things than just Shell to talk about too 10:24 < jwendell> I don't think so 10:24 < andreasn> some cool apps would be nice to talk about too 10:25 < shaunm> would it be possible to provide closed captions for the vidoes? 10:25 < pcutler> jwendell: we have new user help, new a11y features, Tomboy Online, new features in apps like Amazon integration in Banshee, etc 10:25 < jwendell> that's what we have *today* 10:25 -!- kairo [~kairo@189.38.161.209] has joined #foundation 10:25 < jwendell> so, they're not 'new features of gnome 3' 10:25 < jwendell> shaunm, yep, youtube allows that 10:25 < pcutler> shaunm: someone had an idea about we could do closed captions, but I don't remember who off the top of my head 10:26 < shaunm> 1) it would make them accessible to deaf people, and 2) captions are easier to translate, so we could at least get them subtitled in different languages 10:26 <@OgMaciel> good points 10:26 < jwendell> that happened in guadec intro video 10:26 < jwendell> youtube.com/guadec 10:27 < jwendell> the subtitles are available for translation in danmed lies 10:27 <@OgMaciel> so for this topic, we need ideas and suggestions for things to put on the video 10:27 <@OgMaciel> feedback can be sent to...? 10:27 < pcutler> please add those ideas to the wiki page above or email the marketing list 10:27 < robert_ancell> Don't focus on new features in GNOME3, focus on features that are *in* GNOME3 but make it more compelling than other platforms 10:27 < shaunm> awesome. then we have the tech. probably don't need to discuss it more here. 10:27 < pcutler> Jason will be at the Boston Summit too, if you're there, please share your ideas with him 10:27 <@OgMaciel> good point robert_ancell 10:28 -!- fmuellner is now known as fmuellner|bbl 10:28 < pcutler> so speaking of Boston Summit, the wiki page is here: http://live.gnome.org/Boston2010 10:29 < pcutler> If you're coming, please add your name 10:29 < pcutler> It's typically an unconference, but if you there is a specific talk or session you want to give, you can add it here too: http://live.gnome.org/Boston2010/SessionProposals 10:30 -!- SEJeff_work [~jeff__@209.160.81.1] has joined #foundation 10:31 < pcutler> vuntz: two trips to the US in 2 weeks?! 10:32 < vuntz> pcutler: one long trip 10:32 < pcutler> any questions on the Boston Summit? 10:32 < stormy> pcutler, OgMaciel added GNOME 3 goals as part of his original post 10:33 < pcutler> I'll turn it over to OgMaciel for the GNOME 3 goals 10:34 <@OgMaciel> obviously we want to make sure that GNOME 3 will have the very latest apps and features from the GNOME stack 10:35 <@OgMaciel> but I'm interested to learn from you guys what you think of GNOME 3 and what can we do to make it so 10:36 <@OgMaciel> errr 10:36 < stormy> GNOME 3 will be more than just a technical release 10:36 < stormy> It will also need lots of marketing effort - from everyone. 10:37 < stormy> The world will be watching to see if it's like KDE 4 or not. 10:37 < stormy> And it's up to us to make sure it's awesome technically (which is why we've waiting till now) and that people understand why it's so awesome. 10:37 -!- reinouts [9158d121@ircip3.mibbit.com] has joined #foundation 10:37 < pockeylam> agreed, that's why we need to work on the worldwide launch party 10:38 < andreasn> yay for worldwide party! 10:38 < stormy> pockeylam, agreed! 10:38 < SEJeff_work> So what is the plan of attack to make it more awesome than normal marketingwise? 10:38 < pockeylam> we are planning for a big one in Asia, http://live.gnome.org/ThreePointZero/LaunchParty 10:38 < stormy> We have a GNOME 3 marketing roadmap. 10:39 < stormy> We could use some help on it as we've lost some people - personal reasons and such. 10:39 < stormy> The Boston Summit would be a good place to review it and for people to come learn more. 10:39 < SFD_Fred> we've been trying (we = GNOME.Asia group) to get people give feedback through a pre-event survey and see whether it made sense to get "all of us" together. Unfortunately only 13 people have filled the survey 10:39 < pockeylam> stormy, would love to help 10:40 < stormy> SFD_Fred, perhaps recruit through @gnome on identica/twitter? 10:40 < stormy> pockeylam, we'd love to have you! 10:40 < SFD_Fred> we also emailed other local community (like Spanish) but it seems that if you don't write spanish the mail doesn't get through 10:40 < pcutler> pockeylam emailed the survey to the Foundation list today as well, everyone is encouraged to fill it out 10:40 < stormy> SFD_Fred, perhaps there's someone here who could help pass the word on in Spanish? 10:40 < SFD_Fred> stormy: all blocked for us, but i'll mention that to Allan then.. he is our twitter guy :) 10:40 < andreasn> I can try to grab someone who speaks spanish and help out with that 10:40 < pockeylam> here is the survey, http://survey.gnome.asia/index.php?sid=92495 10:41 < SFD_Fred> andreasn: that would be lovely 10:41 < jjmarin> I can help with the Spanish too 10:42 * OgMaciel can help with Spanish a bit too 10:42 -!- msantana [msantana@SDF.ORG] has joined #foundation 10:42 < SFD_Fred> in fact we're just trying to coordinate and figure out what each community is doing at the moment, so quite simple... still it doesn't seem so simple to get feedback 10:42 < yippi> yes, aside from the GNOME.Asia community, I haven't heard any noise about plans for GNOME3 launch parties or other events. 10:43 < SFD_Fred> thank you guys. i wrote your names down and will follow up after this (or tomorrow) 10:43 < andreasn> cool 10:43 < yippi> do other local groups have plans? If so, we should be making more of an effort to plan together, I'd think. 10:43 < pockeylam> yes, we want to share ideas, we should talk together 10:43 <@OgMaciel> makes sense 10:43 < andreasn> any UK people here? 10:43 < yippi> this, I think, is the right forum to find people. 10:43 < pockeylam> vuntz, you mentioned you have plans in France? 10:43 * OgMaciel wonders if Boston GNOMErs are planning anything 10:44 < yippi> perhaps we should all fly to Asia 10:44 < andreasn> is there a wiki page with the different parties? 10:44 <@OgMaciel> :) 10:44 < vuntz> pockeylam: hrm, I'm not aware of any plan in france so far :/ 10:44 < pockeylam> yippi, that would be great :) 10:44 < vuntz> pockeylam: somebody else might be working on that, though 10:44 < SFD_Fred> andreasn: yes we set up a page.. but no party listed so far 10:44 < andreasn> SFD_Fred, url? 10:44 < pockeylam> so please help to join the survey: http://survey.gnome.asia/index.php?sid=92495 10:44 < SFD_Fred> andreasn: http://live.gnome.org/ThreePointZero/LaunchParty 10:45 < pockeylam> as this survey decide the date (whether the event host before, during or after the GNOME 3.0 release) and the venue 10:45 < pockeylam> we want everybody to decide 10:45 < reinouts> we (Dutch gnomies) thought of having beer on Friday evening (April 8, 2011) 10:45 -!- aday [~aday@188-221-137-134.zone12.bethere.co.uk] has joined #foundation 10:45 < pockeylam> vuntz, yeah, maybe a little bit early 10:45 < pockeylam> actually there is launch party plan in Taiwan and China 10:45 < SFD_Fred> of course it's a lot easier for us to push on the Asian side of the world... 10:46 < pcutler> Ok, I'm trying to keep topics more than 10 minutes - I'd recommend we move this to the Marketing or gug lists - glad to see the excitement about GNOME 3 10:46 < andreasn> reinouts, add it to the wiki and add "in progress" or something 10:47 < pcutler> next topic is our new sysadmin, Christer Edwards! If you havent met him yet, pop in #sysadmin and say hi, he's doing a great job already 10:47 < andreasn> woohoo! 10:47 < yippi> welcome! 10:47 < pcutler> Olav setup a sysadmin blog and cedwards is blogging there on news.gnome.org with things he's working on, maintenance updates and other stuff 10:48 < pcutler> if there are infrastructure requests you have, I'd recommend filing them in bugzilla against sysadmin and we'll take a look. The list is getting long already, which is good :) 10:48 < SFD_Fred> thank you for listening... :) 10:48 < pcutler> next up is the Women's Outreach Program - marina or stormy want to give an update on the program and its goals? 10:49 < marina> we just had the application deadline this Monday 10:49 < stormy> marina has been doing an awesome job 10:49 -!- hadess [~hadess@cpc6-glfd5-2-0-cust126.6-2.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #foundation 10:49 < marina> we got 34 applicants total! 10:49 < marina> so far we can accept 6 and we definitely have 6 strong applicants 10:49 < jjmarin> wow 10:50 < marina> I actually identified 7 people as strongest candidates 10:50 < andreasn> and there were some design and artwork applications as well 10:50 < marina> and we have 7 more that are reasonably good candidates 10:51 < andreasn> next time it would be nice to see more of those, so maybe it needs to be advertised better that we're looking for those 10:51 < marina> we'll encourage people we can't accept to stick around 10:51 < marina> andreasn, yes, we didn't have Art and Design among the participating projects until later 10:52 < marina> here is the program page: http://live.gnome.org/GnomeWomen/OutreachProgram2010 10:52 -!- edsiper [~edsiper@inet-hqmc03-o.oracle.com] has joined #foundation 10:52 < pockeylam> marina, yeah, for those candidates from Taiwan, i can see that they will still work on the marketing project inside Taiwan :) 10:52 -!- SFD_Fred is now known as fredm 10:52 -!- hevauq [~anuz@131.227.236.57] has joined #foundation 10:53 < marina> I'd like to encourage people to add their projects and themselves as mentors there - it's a way of making your project more approachable to women any time throughout the year :) 10:53 < marina> pockeylam, yes, that's great 10:53 < pockeylam> marina, so the project is indeed very successful, we attracted far more than 6 contributors 10:54 < yippi> how many women applied the last time GNOME did a Women's Outreach Program? 10:54 < yippi> just for comparison... 10:54 < marina> oh, yeah, we required successful candidates to make a contribution to the project they were interested in - many said that was fun in itself 10:55 < jjmarin> It must be hard to leave one of the strong candidates :( 10:55 < shaunm> what do you need from the community, besides the obvious "list your project"? 10:56 < marina> yippi: 80 I think; I would attribute the difference to the fact that we are running it Dec-Mar this time around, not June-Aug, and that a requirement to make a contribution could have been a deterrent for just sending in an application 10:56 < marina> but that requirement really helped us in identifying strong candidates 10:57 < marina> as _ke put it: "patch or it didn't happen" :) 10:57 < marina> we had 17 incomplete applications without contributions 10:58 < stormy> I think also in the summer all the advertising and talk around Google Summer of Code probably helps promote the Outreach Program as well. 10:58 < marina> shaunm, "list your projects" is the main one, I think; besides that asking your company if they would like to sponsor a candidate 10:58 < stormy> They get a lot of requests for a Dec-Mar one too but haven't done it yet. 10:59 < marina> so far we have 3 sponsored by the GNOME Foundation, 2 by Google, and 1 by Collabra 11:00 < marina> jjmarin, I hope we'll figure something out to not leave one of the strong candidates out 11:01 < marina> stormy: I was thinking we could do the next right in parallel with the GSoC; having exact same dates; that way we'll get more candidates for both 11:01 -!- njpatel [~njpatel@138.210.92.194] has quit [Ping timeout: 600 seconds] 11:02 < zana> marina: would candidates be allowed to apply to both at the same time? 11:02 < marina> zana: I think that would make sense 11:02 -!- sense [~sense@138.210.92.194] has quit [Ex-Chat] 11:02 < marina> for the candidates who are applying for coding 11:02 < jjmarin> are the candidates from south hemisphere ? 11:03 < pockeylam> marina, yeah, let's ask around for companies to sponsor the project 11:03 < marina> jjmarin: many are 11:03 < marina> probably more than half 11:03 < marina> there was a strong showing from Chile thanks to gpoo spreading the word! 11:04 < pcutler> marina: thank you for all your help on this and to all the mentors, but we need to move on to the next topic 11:04 < marina> pcutler: yep, thanks 11:04 < pcutler> and the next topic is similar: Google Code-In! 11:04 < pcutler> http://live.gnome.org/GoogleCodeIn 11:05 < pcutler> Andre has volunteered to help with the application for GNOME and we need your help in creating tasks for high school students for Google Code-In 11:05 -!- SEJeff_work [~jeff__@209.160.81.1] has left #foundation [] 11:05 < pcutler> The wiki page has a link on how to write a good task, and we'd like to get as many GNOME projects involved as possible 11:05 < hadess> OgMaciel: will you post the logs? 11:06 <@OgMaciel> hadess: absolutely 11:06 < pcutler> Code-In is similar to the GHOP program from 2 years ago 11:08 < pcutler> if there aren't any questions or comments, yippi want to talk about the FSF collaboration? 11:08 < jjmarin> I think that it's difficult to find mentors with this crazy GNOME 3.0 cycle 11:09 -!- sankarshan [~sankarsha@nat-pool-pnq-t.redhat.com] has quit [Are you sure you want to quit this channel (Cancel/Ok) ?] 11:09 < yippi> Sure. I think the most interesting bit is that Peter Brown from the Free Software Foundation suggested that it would be good to promote GNOME Journal in their Free Software Supporter. 11:09 < yippi> http://www.fsf.org/free-software-supporter 11:09 < yippi> So, it would be great if the folks who put together GNOME Journal might have an interest in working with them. 11:10 < yippi> Also, they expressed interest in doing some joint marketing campaign if we could define a common project together. Perhaps more of a discussion for the marketing list, though. 11:10 < yippi> I think that's pretty much it about opportunities to collaborate with the FSF. 11:11 < yippi> that we discussed with Peter Brown recently, anyway 11:11 -!- m_rodrigues [~chatzilla@200.206.85.31] has quit [ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.11/20101012113537]] 11:11 < pockeylam> yippi, great news 11:14 < stormy> Next up is Help with the Friends of GNOME campaign 11:14 < stormy> We are launching a new campaign targetted at subscribers. 11:14 < stormy> We had an IRC meeting where we did some of the planning. 11:14 -!- scaroo [~alexandre@161.30-64-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #foundation 11:14 < stormy> We have some work t o do at the Boston Summit. 11:15 < stormy> And then we will launch right after that. 11:15 < stormy> We need help emailing existing subscribers to offer them LWN subscriptions! 11:15 < stormy> Technical help creating a referral system. 11:15 < stormy> Help with videos. 11:15 < stormy> Etc. 11:15 < stormy> Anybody able to help or have questions about what we are doing? 11:16 < andreasn> I spoke to lucas to see if he needed any new graphics for the banner, but we agreed that it's in good shape already 11:16 < stormy> I hope you all will join us as we launch the campaign. 11:16 < stormy> Cool, andreasn! 11:16 < stormy> We hope to sign up users who would like to contribute but do not have the skills or time right now. 11:16 < stormy> So we will need help getting the word out to them. 11:17 < stormy> Please join us on the marketing list or at Boston Summit. 11:17 < stormy> Next topic: ideas for a hackfest at the city of Largo. 11:17 < stormy> The City of Largo has offered their facilities for a hackfest several times now. 11:17 < stormy> It would be a great way to connect with Dave Richards and all the users there. 11:18 < shaunm> What kind of hackfest would be best there? 11:18 < stormy> Ideally it would be something related to how they use GNOME. 11:18 < stormy> But it's open right now. 11:18 < stormy> Dave has blogged on Planet GNOME for a while now. 11:18 < stormy> So we have some data on how they use GNOME and the problems they run into. 11:18 -!- hevauq [~anuz@131.227.236.57] has quit [Leaving.] 11:18 < stormy> But I think he's open to helping by hosting a hackfest, without a particular topic in mind. 11:19 < stormy> Ideas? 11:19 < stormy> Interest? 11:19 < stormy> It's in Florida which is warmer than most places in the winter in the Northern Hemisphere. 11:19 < shaunm> would this include the ability to see first-hand how gnome is used there? 11:19 < shaunm> observe the users? 11:19 < stormy> yep! 11:20 < stormy> I believe he's open to that. 11:20 < stormy> I think he's suggested it. 11:20 < shaunm> real user interaction is like gold to documentation people 11:20 < stormy> hmm ... 11:20 < shaunm> gold with chocolate on top 11:20 < stormy> Would the documentation team be interested in gold with chocolate on top? 11:21 < stormy> Ok, let us know. Anyone else who has ideas too. 11:21 < stormy> We often get offered venues and sometimes it's hard to pair with topics. 11:21 < stormy> Next topic: Annual Budget/Report 11:21 < shaunm> honestly, I'm not sure I can get enough people together. people are busy and have traveled quite a bit already for events 11:22 < stormy> On the annual budget, we just finished compiling numbers for the 2010 fiscal year. 11:22 < stormy> The 2011 year will be based on the 2010 year with some adjustments. 11:23 < stormy> So if you have something you'd like to see funded in 2011 (Oct 2010-Sept 2011), now would be a great time to suggest it. 11:23 < stormy> We will be sharing the 2010 numbers and the 2011 plan and asking for feedback. 11:23 < stormy> A couple of highlights: 11:23 < stormy> * Hackfests raised a lot of money and spent a lot of money. We could spend more. 11:23 < stormy> * We underspent in a couple of categories. 11:24 < stormy> Instead of cutting those budgets, we'd like to make it more obvious to the community that those budgets exist. 11:24 < stormy> So people can propose ideas. 11:24 < gpoo> and/or send rough plans to board list 11:24 < stormy> So, please send us any plans you have that would require money next year! 11:24 < stormy> And we will get out the draft in a week or two. 11:25 < stormy> GNOME plans that require money, that is. :) 11:25 < stormy> We have about 5 minutes left and we still have a couple of topics. 11:25 < stormy> 1. Update on ongoing projects - WSOP, GNOME Mobile/Maemo integration proposals, Desktop Summit 11:25 < stormy> 2. Evaluate the ways of collaboration with distros 11:25 < stormy> 3. GNOME Shell & Unity - should the foundation have a position? 11:25 < stormy> 4. Branding considerations: stop people from seeing downstream decisions as "GNOME" 11:26 < stormy> We can wait and discuss these at the next meeting. 11:26 < stormy> Or I'm happy to hang around and discuss them now. 11:26 < stormy> What do people want to do? 11:27 < andreasn> so could we schedule a new meeting really soon? 11:27 < stormy> Absolutely. If people are interested. 11:27 < stormy> What is really soon? 11:27 < stormy> Next week or next month? 11:27 < andreasn> next week maybe? 11:27 < pockeylam> can be in one week? 11:27 < stormy> Same time? 11:27 < pockeylam> next wednesday same timing? 11:27 < andreasn> sure 11:28 < stormy> Sounds good. 11:28 < pockeylam> good for me too 11:28 < stormy> We had good attendance today. 11:28 < stormy> Thanks everyone for participating! 11:28 < fredm> ok for me too... 11:28 < jjmarin> It's ok, but it's the time of my siesta :) 11:28 < stormy> :) 11:29 < stormy> Ok, we will schedule another Foundation meeting for next Wed, same time. 11:29 < stormy> See you all then! 11:29 < pockeylam> yeah, thanks all and remember to fill the survey http://survey.gnome.asia/index.php?sid=92495 :) 11:29 -!- edsiper [~edsiper@inet-hqmc03-o.oracle.com] has quit [Leaving] 11:29 < jjmarin> pockeylam: sure ! 11:30 < pockeylam> jjmarin, thanks for your support and hope to see you in the launch party ;) 11:33 -!- robert_ancell [~bob@138.210.92.194] has quit [Ex-Chat] 11:35 -!- reinouts [9158d121@ircip3.mibbit.com] has quit [http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 11:36 < jjmarin> pockeylam: I think I shouldn't fill the survey because I'm not planning go out of Europe :( 11:37 < jjmarin> pockeylam: I tought it was a general survey... 11:37 < jjmarin> sorry 11:38 -!- jjmarin is now known as jjmarin_afk 11:39 < jjmarin_afk> I support from distance though :)