19:57 <@benzea> Gyb, ztefn, ato10, vdepizzol, mccann, jws141__, phiker, danielb, danielgc, jimmac, monreal, garret, andreasn, BaD_CrC, uv, thos, fargiolas, |y0u|, halfline, kwwii, fredp, uws: meeting time in just a few minutes
19:57 <@andreasn> sure
19:58 <@benzea> it would be great to have you all around :-)
19:58 < vdepizzol> hey there :)
19:58 <@benzea> nothing on my list to discuss though
19:59 < ztefn> for the record this time. i am present.
19:59 <@benzea> ztefn: great
20:00 <@benzea> so, uhm, lets start
20:00 < Gyb> <- present, too ;-)
20:01 <@benzea> though I am not sure if what to talk about ...
20:01 < ztefn> through irregular channels i got hold of the following, which is great news i would think: http://arstechnica.com/journals/linux.ars/2008/12/04/teaching-thunderbird-to-tango
20:02 <@andreasn> http://www.0d.be/2008/12/03/roadmap-and-digests/
20:03 <@benzea> oh, roadmap
20:03 <@andreasn> yes
20:04 <@benzea> ztefn: good news for all the GNOME users that use thunderbird
20:04 <@andreasn> I think we have a bunch of extra icons we need to draw for Thunderbird
20:05 <@benzea> hm, 2.26 is the next release?
20:06 <@andreasn> yeah, http://live.gnome.org/RoadMap/Artwork
20:07 <@benzea> the page does need some rework, and we can probably just delete some of the stuff
20:08 <@benzea> hm, does anything on the 2.26 list need to be moved to future, and maybe something else needs to be added?
20:09 <@benzea> I am not sure how much I will be able to do in the next months :-/
20:09 -!- Cimi [~Cimi@host57-188-dynamic.2-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #gnome-art
20:09 -!- mode/#gnome-art [+o Cimi] by benzea
20:10 <@benzea> hi Cimi, great to have you around
20:10 <@Cimi> I'm here just to read :D
20:10 <@Cimi> quite busy sorry
20:10 <@Cimi> poke me if you need something particular
20:10 <@andreasn> "# Move submissions from various places to the GNOME Artwork request tracker "
20:10 <@benzea> Cimi: sure, we need to update the roadmap wiki page
20:11 <@andreasn> I guess that's done to some extent
20:11 <@andreasn> "# change gnome-icon-theme to use one canvas for the originals "
20:11 <@andreasn> in the process I guess
20:12 <@benzea> andreasn: will that be done for 2.26 or some time later? (just wondering whether it should maybe go into "future")
20:12 <@andreasn> seems a bit tight with 2.26
20:12 <@andreasn> so probably future
20:13 <@benzea> yeah
20:13 <@benzea> I'll try to edit
20:13 <@andreasn> same with converting stuff to naming-spec
20:13 < vdepizzol> what about the emblems? there are some still outdated, right?
20:15 < vdepizzol> hmm, only emblem-synchronized, if I'm not wrong
20:16 <@benzea> everyone getting e-mails ...
20:16 <@andreasn> http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/184285/nautilus-emblems.png
20:17 <@andreasn> I wonder what these jockey-things are
20:17 < vdepizzol> :/
20:17 <@Cimi> andreasn, ubuntu's stuff for restricted drivers
20:17 <@benzea> ah, Ubuntu ;-)
20:18 <@andreasn> but as emblems in the nautilus dialog? weird
20:18 <@benzea> so, on the list for 2.26 I now have:
20:18 <@benzea>  * better panel theming
20:19 <@benzea>  * colorscheme support in the appearance dialog
20:19 <@benzea>  * dark widget theme
20:19 <@benzea>  * compact theme
20:19 <@benzea> both the dark and compact theme shouldn't be much work, I need to sit down and create them basically
20:19 <@benzea> (and get trough the color bike shedding for the exact colors)
20:20 <@andreasn> ha ha ha ha
20:20 <@andreasn> :)
20:21 <@benzea> I am probabyl not going to work on the colorscheme support, but I can try to ping guiseff about it
20:21 <@Cimi> benzea, did you read this?
20:21 <@Cimi> <Cimi> benzea, I don't remember if it was about a deprecated widget or so, but IIRC you said me something about the applications like pidgin or xchat which are using a different kind of menuitem separator (which we can't theme correctly): so why not draw that in red too?
20:21 <@benzea> Cimi: yes, but later ;-)
20:21 <@Cimi> of course ;)
20:21 <@benzea> Cimi: just two ways to create them, both are vaild from GTK+ point of view
20:22 <@Cimi> though we prefer just one way
20:22 <@benzea> and I should really look into the panel theming thing ...
20:22 <@benzea> and, about future release:
20:23 <@benzea>  * one canvas workflow
20:23 <@benzea>  * less visual noise
20:23 <@benzea>  * flat widget theme
20:24 <@Cimi> benzea, the system-tray patch for gnome-panel landed in trunk today
20:24 < vdepizzol> Cimi: nice!
20:24 <@andreasn> what's that?
20:24 <@Cimi> so using gtk+ trunk and gnome-panel will make rgba colormaps works much better
20:24 <@benzea> Cimi: a bit off topic right now? but cool :-)
20:25 <@Cimi> benzea, why OT? rgba is something we should take into account for future releases (2.28+)
20:25 <@benzea> ah, true :-)
20:26 <@Cimi> now we need the never-ending xsetting/env variable patch
20:26 <@benzea> it really should go into the "something that is missing in our infrastructure" then :-)
20:26 <@Cimi> and start finding out ugly behaviours of applications (gnumeric, abiword...)
20:27 <@Cimi> hopefully they will be less than what we imagine
20:28 < vdepizzol> oh, and about 2.26.. we can't forget this http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-themes-list/2008-November/msg00009.html
20:28 <@Cimi> also a new driver for intel's integrated video card (i965 and more) will support blur
20:29 <@andreasn> vdepizzol: ah, yes
20:29 <@benzea> vdepizzol: ok, I'll add it to the list
20:29 <@andreasn> what are the proposed modules for 2.26?
20:32 <@andreasn> ah, http://live.gnome.org/TwoPointTwentyfive/Desktop
20:32 <@andreasn> brasero, gnome-user-share and evolution-mapi
20:32 <@andreasn> does any of the latter two have any ui at all?
20:33 < vdepizzol> don't think so
20:33 <@andreasn> http://svn.gnome.org/viewvc/gnome-user-share/trunk/data/
20:33 <@andreasn> seems g-u-s have some icons at least
20:33 < vdepizzol> hmm
20:34 <@andreasn> I think the icons, general layout in the apps and such are ok though
20:34 <@andreasn> and brasero looks ok
20:34 <@benzea> only evolution-mapi does not seem to have new icons
20:34 <@benzea> andreasn: could you add it the wiki page if neccessary?
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20:35 <@andreasn> add what?
20:35 <@benzea> oh, I just added a point that the icons for empathy/pidgin are needed
20:38 <@benzea> hm, I did not change much on the page really, do you think it is OK now?
20:38 <@benzea> http://live.gnome.org/RoadMap/Artwork
20:39 <@andreasn> looks good
20:39 <@benzea> ok, great
20:40 <@andreasn> it says 2.24 at the bottom though
20:40 <@benzea> ah, yeah, I just moved it down, so that it is not gone yet
20:41 <@benzea> should any of these items be moved somewhere else?
20:41 <@benzea> otherwise we can delete them, I guess
20:41 <@andreasn> it misses the "Do you have any goals from 2.24 that were not achieved? Why?"
20:42 <@andreasn> could say, "a bunch due to lack of manpower"
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20:42 <@benzea> heh, sure
20:42 <@andreasn> can I edit?
20:42 <@benzea> andreasn: yup
20:42  * benzea is a bit slow editing right now because he is working in osx ...
20:43 <@andreasn> why?
20:44 <@andreasn> :)
20:45 <@andreasn> anyway, that's the roadmap
20:45 <@benzea> not used to
20:47 <@andreasn> "convert more applications to use names from the icon-spec instead of old gnome-specific names by disabling icon-naming-utils during the dev cycle."
20:47 <@andreasn> I guess that could go under 2.26 and/or future
20:47 <@benzea> doesn't matter really
20:48 <@andreasn> btw benzea, do you know where all the crappy colors used by default in evolution and friends comes from?
20:48 <@benzea> andreasn: no idea
20:48 <@benzea> probably hardcoded somewhere in evolution
20:48 <@andreasn> there are other places too
20:49 <@andreasn> but yeah, I'll file a bug on evo to begin with
20:49 < monreal> for reference, the icon mentioned from gnome-user-share shows up in the tray on incoming files via bluetooth
20:50 <@andreasn> aah
20:55 <@andreasn> so, hum, are we done with the meeting?
20:55 <@benzea> hm, just a small thing
20:55 <@benzea> can the "update outdated emblems" thing be delted?
20:55 <@benzea> ie. is it done?
20:56 < vdepizzol> benzea: I think so. The only emblem which is not done don't even have an "outdated" version
20:56  * benzea would like to remove the 2.24 stuff
20:57 <@benzea> ok
20:57 <@benzea> so, I think andreasn is right and we are probably done now
20:58 < ztefn> are those distribution dependent?
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20:59 <@benzea> ok, next meeting on january the 5th, same time?
20:59 < ztefn> i've got more emblems showing up here in ubuntu 8.04
21:00  * benzea does not know anything about emblems ...
21:00 <@benzea> (that would be again a monday)
21:00 < vdepizzol> ztefn: you're using human-icon-theme, right?
21:01 <@benzea> ok, thanks everyone for attending!
21:01 <@andreasn> benzea: thanks
21:01 < ztefn> no gnome-icon-theme
21:01 <@andreasn> my screenshot showed Ubuntu 8.10
21:01 < vdepizzol> thank you!
21:01 -!- benzea changed the topic of #gnome-art to: GNOME Artwork and Themes | Meeting: 5th January 19:00 UTC
21:02 <@benzea> I'll update the wiki tomorrow/wednesday, you can add items for the next meeting there then
21:02  * benzea leaves
21:03 < ztefn> http://stephenbrandt.com/files/emblems.png
21:05 < vdepizzol> ztefn: these are both old emblems and part of the new ones
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21:23 < kwwii> erm, time zone changes, guess I missed the meeting
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21:36 < ztefn> kwwii: you're about 1 and a half hours late :-D. if you want i can send you the logs