22:00 <@benzea> so, hello everyone
22:02 <@benzea> Cimi, klepas, hbons, thos, and whoever else :-)
22:02 < hbons> oh yeah, hi
22:03 <@benzea> well, I think this will be very short
22:03 <@benzea> the only thing on my list is the GettingStarted page in the wiki
22:03 <@benzea> there is a link to http://live.gnome.org/GnomeArt/GetInvolved on http://live.gnome.org/GnomeArt
22:03 <@benzea> but the page does not even exist :-/
22:04 < hbons> i think we should make a page that talks art, and not the ugly gnome.org wiki:)
22:05 <@benzea> maybe :-)
22:05 <@benzea> but I am also wondering what kind of information needs to be there
22:05 <@Cimi> benzea: is there a meeting around there now?
22:05 <@benzea> and how we can help people to get involved in the end
22:05 <@benzea> Cimi: yes :-)
22:06 <@Cimi> ok
22:06 <@benzea> Cimi: feel free to stay around ;-)
22:07 <@Cimi> so I want better gnomeicon  folders and I'd like to ask some guys from interface lift to use their photos as wallpapers
22:08 < hbons> Cimi: better folder icon in g-i-t?
22:08 <@benzea> Cimi: can we get back to that later? I would like to first talk a bit about the GetInvolved stuff, so that we can get that up
22:09 <@Cimi> hbons: I know that are tastes, but I don't like the default ones
22:09 < hbons> Cimi: i agree with you
22:09 <@Cimi> too flat and with a simple color
22:09 < hbons> it doesn' look like a folder to me
22:10 <@Cimi> benzea: ok
22:10 <@benzea> hehe, ok :-)
22:10 <@benzea> any ideas what to put on the page?
22:11 <@benzea> maybe a list of areas that one can work one? a list/links to some easy tasks?
22:11 < hbons> i think it's mostly the same as the main page?
22:12 <@benzea> hm, maybe, just drop the page ;-)
22:12 < hbons> :)
22:14 < hbons> we should have contests more often
22:14 < hbons> maybe also for gtkthemes
22:17 <@benzea> hm, IIRC the splash screen contest we once had did not work out that well
22:19 <@benzea> so, I did put the get involved page on the list for today, because I do not know what to tell people that drop by and want to help
22:19 <@benzea> which happened a week ago
22:19 <@Cimi> benzea: read my blog entry
22:20 <@Cimi> for comments
22:20 <@benzea> which ones?
22:20 <@benzea> s/ones/one/
22:20 <@Cimi> http://www.cimitan.com/blog/2008/08/18/join-the-development-of-gnome-art-themes/
22:23 < klepas> hey :)
22:23 <@benzea> hello :-)
22:23 < hbons> i think we could get a lot of good people if we do something like "do you want to be an important part of defining the look of gnome 3.0?"
22:24 < hbons> instead of this small slow evolutionary process we have now
22:24 <@benzea> hbons: hm, that is true
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22:25 < hbons> we need to define some kind of roadmap
22:25 < hbons> with dates
22:26 < hbons> because now we are just slugging along, and things don't really get done
22:26 <@benzea> yup
22:26  * hbons is guilty:)
22:26  * benzea too ;-)
22:27 <@benzea> so, anyone up for the task of working on a roadmap for GNOME 3.0 theme(s) ;-)
22:27 < hbons> i would, but i don't think it's someone i can decide on alone
22:28 <@Cimi> poke me again
22:28 <@Cimi> I'm on the sofa
22:28 <@benzea> hbons: I think it would be great if you can think about it a bit; ie. what steps are neccessary, etc.
22:28 < hbons> yeah
22:28 <@benzea> how would eg. GUADEC next year fit into it, etc.
22:28 < hbons> good idea
22:29 < hbons> i will make a draft and propose it for the next meeting
22:29 <@benzea> hbons: cool, thank you!
22:30 <@benzea> maybe I'll look over the wiki pages in the next couple of days, and shuffle things around
22:31 <@benzea> I am mostly thinking of splitting the art.gnome.org stuff into a sub-page
22:31 <@benzea> and probably removing parts of it
22:32 <@benzea> well, OK
22:32 <@benzea> Cimi: pokie
22:32 <@benzea> I think we can leave this here, and move on to anything you guys want to discuss :-)
22:32 <@Cimi> benzea: back
22:32 <@Cimi> as said
22:32 <@Cimi> I don't like gnome folders
22:32 <@benzea> (oh, I'll remove the Get Involved link for now)
22:34 <@Cimi> hbons: you're the master of all the icons
22:34 < hbons> Cimi: ? i think you mean jimmac:)
22:35 <@Cimi> hbons: jimmac doesn't want to change gnome icons
22:35 <@Cimi> he said they are perfect
22:35 < hbons> it think g-i-t is too boring
22:35 <@Cimi> ultra boring
22:35 <@Cimi> neither jimmac uses them
22:36 <@Cimi> he use opensuse's icon theme
22:36 < hbons> i even increase saturation on tango icons right now, even those colors seem dull now
22:36 < hbons> but Mango is getting better
22:36 <@Cimi> totally true
22:36 <@Cimi> but folders are blue...
22:36 <@Cimi> I would prefer other colors
22:37 <@Cimi> like foxtrot :)
22:37 < hbons> yeah
22:37 < hbons> foxtrot is nice
22:37 < hbons> specially the folder icon
22:37 <@Cimi> I mean the folder icon
22:37 <@Cimi> i love that color
22:37 < hbons> me too
22:37 <@Cimi> it is the color that fits better with a wide range of themes
22:37 <@Cimi> you can use with bright or dark themes
22:38 <@Cimi> monochromatic or colored themes
22:38 <@Cimi> it fits really well
22:38 <@Cimi> benzea: could you write a mail to send to a list of few guys who uploaded some walpapers on interface lift?
22:39 <@Cimi> because my english sux compared to yours
22:39 <@benzea> Cimi: and I have no idea what to write, nor am I that intrested in wallpapers :-)
22:39 <@Cimi> please
22:39 <@Cimi> you're great in dimplomacy =)
22:40 < hbons> wasn't andreasn on that already?
22:40 <@Cimi> hbons: I have found better walls
22:40 <@Cimi> I would like to include somewhere
22:40 <@Cimi> maybe in gnome-themes-extras
22:41 <@Cimi> http://cimitan.com/bookmarks.html
22:41 <@Cimi> these are free, I want to ask permissions
22:43 <@Cimi> benzea: please
22:44 <@benzea> Cimi: maybe we can make a deal? you write a draft, and I look over it ;-)
22:44 <@Cimi> oh wonderful
22:45 <@Cimi> I will take a look @ 00:30 CEST
22:46 <@benzea> I guess it is not pressing, as any wallpaper change will probably only happen for 2.26
22:46 <@benzea> oh, are you done with your icon themes discussion? :-)
22:48 <@benzea> seems like it :-)
22:49 <@benzea> anything else or should we close with this?
22:49 <@benzea> ... I would suggest having the next meeting on the 10th October (same time)
22:49 <@Cimi> benzea: for 2.26
22:50 <@Cimi> or 2.24 gnome-themes-extras
22:50 <@Cimi> g-t-e is not a module
22:50 <@Cimi> I can do a release in middle october too
22:50 <@benzea> Cimi: ah, true, if it is part of gnome-themes-extras
22:51 <@benzea> Cimi: but you still need to give the translators some time
22:51 <@Cimi> benzea: of course
22:51 <@Cimi> btw
22:51 <@benzea> and I bet they are all busy right now ;-)
22:51 <@Cimi> take a look at those walls
22:52 <@benzea> to say the truth, I would like to leave soon :-)
22:52 <@benzea> but those wallpapers to look pretty good
22:52 <@Cimi> yeah
22:52 <@Cimi> I would love to have them in
22:52 <@Cimi> at least only few of theme
22:52 <@Cimi> *them
22:53 <@Cimi> that's why I need a special diplomatic email :)
22:53 <@Cimi> and that's why I asked you, benzea
22:53 <@benzea> I understand :-)
22:53 <@Cimi> so if you're going to leave feel free
22:54 <@Cimi> when you'll have more time, please write down 4 lines
22:54 < hbons> Cimi: try yourself, and post here first so we can check:)
22:54 <@Cimi> ok
22:54 <@Cimi> I'll do
22:54 <@benzea> anyone has checked that the date of the next meeting is fine ;-)
22:54 <@benzea> it is a friday too
22:54 <@Cimi> things will be better when vuntz will make the panel themable
22:54 < hbons> wow we had a record of 4 attendees this tme:)