16:01:26 <API> #startmeeting
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16:01:41 <API> #topic 5 minutes of margin
16:05:31 * clown waves
16:05:39 <clown> Is there a meeting today?
16:05:41 <API> waves too
16:05:48 * clown looks for agenda.
16:05:48 <API> yes today there are meeting
16:05:54 <API> too many weeks without meeting ;)
16:05:57 <API> I blame turkeys
16:06:17 <clown> hey, I was here last week.  Toiling away...
16:06:38 <clown> "here" == "at work".
16:06:46 <API> in any case, 5 minutes of margin is over
16:06:46 <clown> "here" != "turkey"
16:06:50 <API> so starting for real
16:07:08 <API> #topic Progress towards 3.12
16:07:14 <clown> agenda:  https://wiki.gnome.org/Accessibility/Meetings#Agenda_for_the_Next_Meeting_.285_December.29
16:07:29 <joanie> dec 29?
16:07:43 <API> #info API is right now writing a email about some API changes needed on ATK in order to support better more that one toolkit
16:07:59 <clown> beats me joanie.  That's what my browser is telling me.
16:08:03 <API> #info this is needed because right now, gnome-shell is not accessible under wayland, because gtk AtkUtil
16:08:17 <API> #info implementation is overriding clutter AtkUtil implementation
16:08:31 <API> #info additionally, API has been working on some AtkDocument stuff
16:08:45 <API> #info and implementing it on evince, as part of improving accessibility on pdf documents
16:09:15 <API> #info poppler stuff is also being reviewed/approved these days, so poppler master has a better tagged-pdf support
16:09:37 <API> #info in the same way, as Piñeiro is in writing-email mode today, he will send a ping to the wayland+accessibiilty thread
16:10:03 <API> #info probably suggesting about moving some of the current bugs to wayland, gnome-shell or <relevant-component> bugzilla
16:10:05 <API> (done)
16:10:22 <joanie> #info Joanie is still working on the focus: deprecation stuff.
16:10:40 <joanie> #info Joanie is also investigating various and sundry Firefox 25 accessibility regressions. :-/
16:10:43 <joanie> (done)
16:12:02 <API> ah, I forgot something
16:12:22 <API> #info API also replied the email that mgorse sent about the  new at-spi2 API, specifically about
16:12:31 <API> #info events with more info, and some async API
16:12:40 <API> (done) this time for real
16:13:04 <API> mgorse, ? I don't know if you want to add something about that, or if that is still on mailing list discussion moe
16:13:05 <API> *mode
16:13:21 <mgorse> #info mgorse has done some work on an async api and emailed g-a-devel (to which API just alluded)
16:13:24 * clown makes note to read those at-spi2 emails.
16:13:24 <mgorse> done
16:13:33 <mgorse> yeah, I need to take some time to reply to that email you sent. Thanks for replying
16:14:45 <clown> I don't know if this is all that important, but it probably relates to 3.12:
16:15:23 <clown> All of the gs-magnifier bugs have been re-classified.  There is now a "magnfier" component in bugzilla for the gnome-shell project.
16:15:48 <clown> the only reason I know is because I was on the cc list, and was automatically emailed when andre made the change.
16:15:55 <clown> Is that worth info'ing?
16:16:00 <joanie> yeah, we all got spammed
16:16:22 <clown> s/magnfier/magnifier/
16:16:39 <API> clown, as you wish
16:16:46 <API> made a quick info, and then we can move on
16:16:47 <clown> it might mean the profile of the magnifier is going up.
16:16:58 <API> going up?
16:17:01 <API> what do you mean?
16:17:12 <clown> #info The gnome-shell project has added a new component for tracking the magnfier.
16:17:42 <clown> #info all gs-mag bugs have been moved to this new component ("component" in the sense of a bugzilla component).
16:18:07 <clown> API, going up means  "becoming more important".
16:18:13 <clown> just speculation on my part.
16:18:14 <API> hmmm
16:18:16 <API> well, I don't think so
16:18:31 <API> component was added because magdalen asked for a component
16:18:39 <clown> ah....
16:19:05 <API> so after all this
16:19:12 <API> anything else on this topic?
16:20:59 <API> nobody saying anything
16:21:01 <API> so I will move
16:21:16 <API> #topic W3C updates
16:21:18 <API> clown, ?
16:21:50 <clown> #info The ARIA working group received comments on the UAIG last call draft from the gnome-a11y community.
16:21:57 <clown> thanks guys, by the way!
16:22:04 <joanie> :)
16:22:16 <clown> #info A small sub-group worked on responsese to those comments.
16:22:39 <clown> #info Those responses have been pushed to the full group requesting group consensus.
16:23:11 <clown> #info  In addition, we are trying to find a compromise to somehow include the requested changes given W3C protocol.
16:23:26 <joanie> (thanks for that)
16:23:33 <clown> #info All this is intended to be wrapped up by end of day Friday (tommorrow).
16:23:41 <clown> done — questions?
16:23:57 <joanie> no questions from me
16:24:29 <jjmarin> me neither
16:24:35 <API> ok, just one more from me
16:24:39 <API> with my igalian hat on
16:24:44 <clown> what colour is it?
16:24:49 <joanie> black
16:24:57 <clown> then mine is white.
16:25:15 <API> #info Igalia has become a W3C member recently, one of the reasons behind, is stuff like this "lets collaborate for accessibility"
16:25:22 <API> clown, has a lot of colors
16:25:30 <API> is a round hat that mimics igalia logo
16:25:31 <clown> red nose...
16:26:07 * clown congratulates igalia.  off the record, I would like to see more gnome representation...
16:26:22 <API> clown, thanks
16:26:49 <jjmarin> igalians are very gnomers :-)
16:27:11 <API> so after this little self-promotion
16:27:15 <API> more questions, doubts?
16:27:30 <clown> is joanie the only one from igalia that is participating?
16:27:49 <clown> maybe that's an miscellaneous question...
16:27:50 <joanie> first one
16:28:05 <joanie> and I'm roping API into it :)
16:28:26 <joanie> others within Igalia have interests in also becoming active
16:28:32 <API> although I was already roped or something
16:28:32 <joanie> but who does what remains to be seen
16:28:49 <API> as some of last changes on ATK were based on first review on that UIG joanie made
16:29:00 <joanie> thank you API :)
16:29:13 <API> so, moving?
16:29:18 <joanie> and thank you mgorse
16:29:22 <clown> are you saying that the "flaws" in the UAIG inspired improvements to ATK?
16:29:23 <joanie> but yeah, moving I think
16:29:44 <API> clown, well, were flaws on ATK
16:29:52 <joanie> not in all cases
16:29:56 <API> something like "in order to implement this fancy aria stuff, do this hack on ATK"
16:30:07 <joanie> sometimes what happens is our platform lacks needed API
16:30:08 <API> yes, true, some of them
16:30:15 <joanie> and you can go two ways in that case:
16:30:20 <joanie> 1. hack
16:30:28 <joanie> 2. add the needed API
16:30:42 <joanie> I am afraid 1 has happened far too often
16:30:54 <clown> indeed.
16:32:40 <API> I think that that is a good bridge to move topics
16:32:40 <API> so
16:32:45 <API> @topic Marketing
16:32:46 <API> ups
16:32:49 <API> #topic Marketing
16:32:51 <API> jjmarin, ?
16:32:57 <jjmarin> #info Following Jon W. Mccan reques, Juanjo's been moving content from https://projects.gnome.org/accessibility/ and https://projects.gnome.org/orca/  to https://wiki.gnome.org/Accessibility/ and https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca respectively
16:33:11 <joanie> yay for jjmarin :) and thanks!
16:33:27 <jjmarin> that's all I've done these days
16:33:33 <jjmarin> thanks
16:33:35 <jjmarin> :-)
16:33:55 <API> jjmarin, so my question
16:34:03 <API> is projects.gnome.org officially dead?
16:34:09 <API> or in process to be killed?
16:34:27 <jjmarin> I guess they will kill it when all the projects are migrated
16:34:37 <jjmarin> but I haven't read the plan
16:34:54 <jjmarin> in fact, I haven't seen in any part
16:35:10 <jjmarin> only a rant in engagement list for broken links
16:35:15 <joanie> heh
16:35:56 <API> ok
16:36:07 <API> so anything else, questions, comments, doubgs?
16:36:11 <API> *doubts
16:37:23 <API> seems that not
16:37:30 <API> today meeting is going smoothly
16:37:31 <API> so
16:37:35 <API> #topic "Miscellaneous Time"
16:37:43 <API> something not scheduled to comment?
16:39:05 <joanie> #info There is a WebKitGtk hackfest this week at Igalia.
16:39:17 <joanie> #info One target area is accessibility.
16:39:31 <mgorse> Oh, that explains why you were tweeting about being on a plane
16:39:43 <clown> are there snakes on that plane?
16:39:57 <joanie> mgorse: I was tweeting about being on a plane because I like to complain and happened to be on planes :)
16:40:07 <joanie> but the reason I was on planes is this event. /me grins
16:40:39 <joanie> clown: there were zombies
16:40:52 <joanie> (World War Z was in the available movies)
16:41:00 <clown> hee hee
16:41:00 <API> this week? technically starts on Sunday
16:41:08 <API> using english calendar, that means next week, right?
16:41:12 <joanie> I thought it was Saturday
16:41:28 <API> saturday is something like day 0, or unofficial starting day
16:41:48 <API> or in summary, for the people that arrive the day before
16:41:57 <API> leftovers, but even before
16:42:04 <API> :P
16:42:26 <joanie> in which fearless leader fails to prove it doesn't start this week :P
16:42:39 <jjmarin> I rescued an old 2008 article somewhere in the internet, Python Powered Accessibility, but I haven't found the pictures. Just in case any of you have a local copy ? (not very probable I think) . Just in case, the text https://wiki.gnome.org/Accessibility/PythonPoweredAccessibility
16:42:52 * clown looks
16:43:23 * API looking too
16:43:59 <API> I guess that this is using pyatspi1
16:44:04 <API> so yes probably obsolete
16:44:07 <clown> Weird.  There are no <img> tags in the html for that page...
16:44:23 <API> although could be the base to do something similar with updated stuff
16:46:03 <API> two minutes and nobody talking, I see that as a signal that the meeting is over
16:46:09 <API> so unless someone objects quick
16:46:15 <API> I will end the meeting
16:46:17 <API> in
16:46:18 <API> 3 ...
16:46:21 <API> 2  ...
16:46:24 <API> 1 ...
16:46:26 <API> boom
16:46:28 <API> #endmeeting