16:10:42 <joanie> #startmeeting
16:10:42 <tota11y> Meeting started Thu Jul 25 16:10:42 2013 CET.  The chair is joanie. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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16:10:43 <magpie> i was having trouble getting on
16:10:59 <joanie> And lemme go first - I'll be brief
16:11:06 <joanie> #topic GSoC Updates
16:11:36 <joanie> #info Joanie just created a page on our wiki which, through wiki includes, sucks in our GSoC updates from our meetings.
16:11:45 <joanie> https://wiki.gnome.org/Accessibility/Minutes/2013GSoC
16:11:54 * clown waves.
16:12:04 <magpie> cool!
16:12:14 <joanie> If you look at the underlying content (via edit link) you'll see how easy this is :)
16:12:24 <jjmarin> clown: hi !
16:12:33 <joanie> #info Joanie will continue to update this page as part of meeting minute prep/posting
16:12:33 <magpie> hey clown
16:12:41 <clown> hey magpie.
16:12:47 <clown> hi jjmarin
16:12:51 <joanie> I think this page might come in handy any time we need to point at something progressy :)
16:12:55 <joanie> like during the evaluation
16:13:06 <joanie> e.g. how often do you meet?
16:13:11 <joanie> answer: As a team, every week
16:13:18 <joanie> see look <link goes here>
16:13:21 <joanie> ok, that's all I've got
16:13:28 <clown> joanie, this GSoC updates page is awesome.
16:13:30 <joanie> regular/proper updates should begin.... NOW
16:13:31 <magpie> that's a great help thank you joanie
16:13:40 * joanie yields the floor
16:14:54 <joanie> by yields the floor I mean so magpie and clown and present their updates
16:15:00 <joanie> hint, hint
16:15:00 <joanie> ;)
16:15:01 <magpie> info Magdalen has had some computer trouble and still needs to fix it to get the latest modifications of the codes
16:15:08 <joanie> magpie: missed the #
16:15:26 <magpie> mac doesn't have that key
16:15:38 <magpie> it usd to be alt+3
16:15:39 <joanie> what?
16:15:40 <clown> shift+3?
16:15:49 <joanie> you cannot type a # sign?
16:16:01 <clown> are british/scottish keyboards that different?
16:16:03 <magpie> not yet i think i will need to bind a key to it
16:16:13 <joanie> magpie: c&p it then
16:16:16 <magpie> it's got fedora on this mac
16:16:20 <joanie> or I will have to manually do all the minutes
16:16:59 <clown> how difficult is it to temporarily switch keyboards intl settings to "USA"?
16:17:09 <magpie> ok
16:17:14 <magpie> i have a copied info
16:17:15 <joanie> if you c&p the #
16:17:17 <joanie> thanks
16:17:34 <magpie> ok i have a few more
16:17:39 <joanie> i need the first one
16:17:53 <jjmarin> magpie: joanie fix is the easiest :-)
16:18:05 <joanie> yeah, cmd-v info bla bla
16:18:08 <joanie> cmd-v info bla bla
16:18:27 <magpie> #info Magdalen has updated the wiki but the files are on my computer which seems to have a compatibility problem associated with efi booting
16:20:17 <clown> ./me notes that he may want to talk to magpie outside the meeting to see how she managed to do get F19 on a Mac — I'd love to have a dual boot system, but efi never worked for me on MacBook Pro.
16:20:26 <magpie> #info Magdalen is working on the lightening speech and is not sure how to proceed due to time restrictions Magdalen is pleased to say that fedora is now running smoothly on my mac though so i am with computer
16:21:17 * joanie waits for the rest of magpie's updates, but then wants to talk about the speech
16:21:41 <magpie> clown it's quite tricky but mines a 2009 macbook pro so yours should work too it's just you need non-free drivers
16:21:58 <magpie> oh one more
16:22:28 * clown will wait for magpie to finish, and then for joanie to talk about the speech before he give his gsoc update.
16:22:39 <joanie> clown: give your update first
16:23:06 <joanie> I just want to be sure we know where things stand as I'm traveling 28th and 29th and have meetings after
16:23:12 <clown> magpie, do you still have one more?
16:23:15 * clown waits
16:23:19 <magpie> #info Magdalen has been using gjs and gjslint to tidy up the files and and debug because they give more debug messages than jhbuild run gnome-shell -r but i had an odd debug message with the magnifier even when trying on the gnome-shell version with none of my local changes
16:23:19 <magpie> ok
16:23:20 <magpie> sorry
16:23:22 <magpie> done
16:23:58 <clown> Yeah, I'd also like to ask your advice about gjslint, magpie.  But, again outside of this meeting.
16:24:21 <magpie> it's awesome. I will be around after clown
16:24:34 <clown> #info  Joseph and API continued their discussion about the 5 issues re focus/caret tracking on the gnome-a11y-devel list.
16:24:58 <clown> #info Joseph has answers to all of the issues, and has a way to proceed.
16:25:31 <clown> #info Joseph needs to consult with Magdalen to somehow communicate these solutions within the latest FocusCaretTracker code.
16:26:15 <clown> I could just get the code from  your github, magpie, but is that up to date?
16:27:35 <clown> #action  Joseph will find some way to put comments in the latest FocusCaretTracker code that speaks to the solutions to the five issues.
16:27:41 <clown> done, questions?
16:27:45 <magpie> no thats an old version
16:27:52 <clown> that's what I thought.
16:28:27 <magpie> my current one is really smart i think it will easier to get my files than fix my computer though but if it looks like it will take too long i can remember what i did
16:28:52 <clown> you could email your latest code to me, as a last resort.
16:29:21 <magpie> well at the moment they are on my computer that won't boot
16:29:32 <clown> oh!  that's not good.
16:30:30 <magpie> i should have done an fpaste of it
16:31:09 * jjmarin likes how the magpie project is progressing :-) and API and clown discussion was interesting. I hope the computer problem can be fixed ASAP
16:31:29 <clown> you should have made a backup  (feel free to slap me for saying such a obsessive admin type thing).
16:31:55 <jjmarin> well, I guess the hard disk is ok
16:32:11 <magpie> yeah i know I should have done lots of things I didn't do. Including a backup
16:32:28 <magpie> it is jjmarin
16:32:40 <jjmarin> we can try to help magpie after the meeting :-)
16:32:43 <magpie> it's my motherboard i'm worried about :-)
16:32:58 <magpie> thanks jjmarin
16:33:29 <joanie> so.... what's the story with the lightning talk?
16:33:38 <joanie> progress and concerns (if any)?
16:36:15 <magpie> joanie the lightening talk is not progressing that well. I have no idea how to fit the project into 3 mins
16:36:29 <joanie> I can help you write something
16:36:37 <joanie> are there any guidelines?
16:36:42 <joanie> other than three slides?
16:36:43 * clown hates lightening talks.
16:36:50 <magpie> only what Marina sent
16:37:11 <joanie> could you please forward that to me when you get a chance?
16:37:18 <joanie> I saw it but i delete stuff
16:37:20 <jjmarin> I think the trick is explaining the goal, without too much detail of the technical part
16:37:28 <joanie> yeah, this is easy
16:37:34 <joanie> problem slide
16:37:46 <joanie> *brief* techincal overview (high-level)
16:37:47 <clown> just a thought:  slide 1: problem statement, slide 2:  solution, slide 3:  concluding remarks.
16:37:51 <joanie> progress slide
16:37:55 <joanie> yeah
16:37:59 <joanie> it's simple
16:38:14 <joanie> btw brief overview is slide 2
16:38:27 <joanie> about the solution
16:38:31 <joanie> but clown said it better
16:39:11 <joanie> we might even be able to use that silly vimeo vid I did
16:39:13 <magpie> it's just hard because i am not sure what is most important to emphasise when I have to keep to 3 minutes i think
16:39:25 <joanie> magpie: we can help you with that
16:39:30 <magpie> joanie i think it's in pdf form
16:39:30 <joanie> we're all old and presenters
16:39:43 <magpie> you're not all old
16:39:53 <clown> joanie, speak for yousefl.  I'm not old.  I'm ancient.
16:39:58 <joanie> anyhoo, we'll figure it out
16:40:17 <joanie> but I'd like us to figure it out not-last-minute
16:40:32 <magpie> me neither joanie
16:40:34 <joanie> so when is the lightning talk day?
16:40:43 <magpie> what do you need from me in order to help?
16:41:09 <joanie> magpie: let's talk after this meeting
16:41:16 <joanie> and come up with a plan and structure
16:41:29 <magpie> ok
16:42:19 <joanie> so other items on this front?
16:42:23 <jjmarin> usually lightning talks are 5 minutes long. I guess this year is 3 because we have many students
16:42:35 <joanie> 3 minutes or three slides?
16:42:36 <magpie> #action Magdalen is going to talk with joanie and clown after the meeting
16:42:37 <joanie> or both
16:43:04 <magpie> i don't know if there\s any questions from people or if it's just going to be a talk
16:43:07 <joanie> #action Magdalen's village of mentors will help her structure her presentation content for the GUADEC ligtning talk.
16:43:12 <jjmarin> I understood three minutes
16:43:20 <joanie> talk wicked fast
16:43:21 <magpie> if there's questions I want to be prepared
16:43:21 <joanie> :P
16:44:19 <joanie> ok, so moving on?
16:44:29 <jjmarin> ok
16:44:44 <joanie> #topic W3C Updates
16:45:08 <joanie> clown: you're up
16:45:10 <clown> #info No major news from Joseph on the W3C front.
16:45:41 <clown> #info The plan is still to get the UAIG document edits done by end-of-day next Thu to prepare it for a Last Call draft.
16:46:01 <clown> #info But, testing is showing some "warts" in the document, and there may be more edits than time left.
16:46:13 <clown> done, questions?
16:46:43 <joanie> could you please remind us how much time we have to respond after the call?
16:47:20 <joanie> (i.e. cause we'll be at GUADEC, etc.)
16:47:36 <joanie> won't even be able to think about it until like the 10th
16:48:03 <clown> the call?   You mean how much time you have to make comments on the draft?
16:48:08 <joanie> yeah
16:48:09 <clown> I think that's 90 days.
16:48:12 <joanie> aha
16:48:13 <joanie> phew
16:48:19 <clown> maybe 60.
16:48:25 <joanie> i meant call for comments sorry
16:48:47 <clown> but, I seriously doubt the last call draft will be published before the end of Aug.
16:48:54 <joanie> better still
16:50:19 <joanie> okay, that's all my questions
16:50:21 <joanie> others?
16:50:37 <jjmarin> not from me at least
16:51:24 <joanie> going once....
16:51:28 * joanie lifts the gavel
16:51:34 <joanie> going twice....
16:51:38 <magpie> what's a gavel?
16:51:38 * joanie looks for fingers
16:51:47 <joanie> the hammer a judge bangs
16:52:03 <joanie> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gavel
16:52:12 <joanie> #topic Marketing Updates
16:52:32 <jjmarin> #info Juanjo hasn't received any information about the interest from the brno anaconda team from to attend to the a11y BoF. Adam Williamson told me to ask in the anaconda irc room in working hours, but no reply.
16:52:51 <jjmarin> apart from that, anything new
16:52:58 <joanie> working hours being east coast time almost certainly
16:53:31 <jjmarin> My understanding was working hours for brno people
16:53:36 <joanie> well, once we have a room scheduled you can send out a follow-up email and say "it's here on this time"
16:53:39 <joanie> anaconda?
16:53:49 <joanie> I think those are mostly folks in the states
16:53:59 <joanie> at least some of whom work out of Westford
16:54:02 <joanie> (mass)
16:54:07 <jjmarin> I was told there was some people in brno
16:54:11 <joanie> ah
16:54:24 <joanie> regardless, I would do what I just said (were I you, which I'm not) :)
16:55:03 <joanie> once it's scheduled we should perhaps consider having an RSVP/signup/say-you're-interested page
16:55:09 <joanie> like we did before
16:55:29 <joanie> so we don't, say, go to some other bof briefly and then have someone show up looking for us
16:56:08 <joanie> anyhoo, other stuff?
16:56:37 <jjmarin> nop
16:56:56 <joanie> assuming no one else has comments or questions.....
16:57:05 <joanie> #topic Miscellaneous Time
16:57:15 <joanie> say what you will
16:57:23 <magpie> so what times everyone about ?
16:57:35 <joanie> API is not here to be sure our misc nattering is "on target" bwuahahaha
16:57:44 <joanie> magpie: I don't understand the question
16:57:45 <magpie> ha
16:58:01 <jjmarin> joanie: what about your preso for guadec ?
16:58:12 <joanie> jjmarin: when is it?
16:58:17 <joanie> or are our slides done?
16:58:23 <joanie> the former is Sunday I think
16:58:27 <joanie> the latter is no
16:58:29 <magpie> i mean for slides, computers, etc
16:58:38 <jjmarin> ah, ok.
16:58:43 <joanie> magpie: I'm taking the bulk of the day "off"
16:58:46 <joanie> (from my proper dayjob)
16:58:49 <joanie> so I'm around today
16:58:50 <clown> I'll be here on and off today.  Tomorrow is a day that I must work on another project to insure I meet a Mon deadline.
16:58:53 <magpie> ok
16:59:12 <clown> So, my time is limited tomorrow.
16:59:17 <joanie> as is mine
16:59:22 <jjmarin> so we can talk about magpie computer now
16:59:29 <clown> when do you leave for guadec, magpie?
16:59:32 <magpie> cool jjmarin
16:59:52 <joanie> and I've got an idea for the first slide (using images)
16:59:54 <magpie> I have a gigabyte motherboard and I think this is the problem
17:00:04 <joanie> I can sketch that out whilst you chat about computers
17:00:05 <joanie> but....
17:00:08 <joanie> let's end the meeting first
17:00:15 <joanie> are there other meeting things?
17:00:28 <jjmarin> sorry, you're right joanie :-)
17:00:43 <joanie> jjmarin: I'm *always* right. :P (and humble too!)
17:00:44 <magpie> not that I can think of though i bet I missed something
17:00:56 <joanie> #endmeeting