16:07:59 <API> #startmeeting
16:07:59 <tota11y> Meeting started Thu Apr 25 16:07:59 2013 CET.  The chair is API. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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16:08:11 <API> #topic Outreach Program for Women
16:08:20 <API> I have an action item related with this
16:08:49 <API> related with ping rtcm
16:08:58 <API> as there isn't too many people
16:09:06 <API> I will do that by inviting him now
16:09:11 <joanie> awesome
16:09:27 <API> so pinged, lets wait a moment
16:09:33 <joanie> k
16:09:49 <joanie> as for opw
16:09:53 <joanie> which is not gsoc....
16:10:57 <joanie> #info "Magpie" (her nick) has done quite a bit of research regarding mousetweaks.
16:11:21 <joanie> #info She will very likely submit an OPW application and require a mentor.
16:12:09 <jjmarin> hi !
16:12:09 <joanie> #info Because our general team policy with respect to OPW has been one boiling down to "prove your worthiness and we'll support you," we will need to support her.
16:12:12 <joanie> hey
16:12:15 <joanie> perfect timing
16:12:31 <API> joanie, ups, sorry of the opw and gsoc thing, sometime I mix stuff
16:12:35 <API> too many acronyms
16:12:44 <joanie> #info Magpie submitted a bug and patch (Joanie believes).
16:12:52 <jjmarin> yes
16:12:55 <joanie> jjmarin: since you have been working with magpie....
16:13:04 <joanie> could you fill in that blank (the bug)?
16:13:17 <joanie> and also any relevant details you know
16:13:20 <jjmarin> yes, searching
16:13:23 <joanie> please and thank you
16:13:49 <joanie> API: no worries. We are swimming in alphabet soup.
16:14:00 <joanie> (is there alphabet soup in spain?)
16:14:18 <API> yep
16:14:26 <jjmarin> #info submitted a patch for bug #589906
16:14:26 <tota11y> 04Bug https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=589906 enhancement, Normal, ---, gnome-shell-maint, UNCONFIRMED, RFE: Add dwelling to the Accessibility dialog
16:14:40 <joanie> (api, how do accented letters work in noodles?)
16:14:48 <joanie> (i'm being a bad minion.)
16:14:58 <joanie> thanks jjmarin!
16:15:04 <jjmarin> np :)
16:15:09 <API> although we call it "sopa de letras" which would be directly translated as "letter soup" (in-the-middle misc time for the win!)
16:15:11 * joanie looks
16:15:31 <joanie> it's always misc o'clock!
16:15:37 <jjmarin> :)
16:16:08 <joanie> nice
16:16:54 <joanie> #info "Magpie" is currently interacting with Jasper and Juanjo on the bug mentioned.
16:17:24 <joanie> #info If she requires a mentor from our team, we need to figure out who that will be.
16:17:48 <joanie> jjmarin: I assume she'd need a mentor from gnome-shell too
16:18:07 <joanie> so do you have the time to be our team's co-mentor?
16:18:16 <jjmarin> yes, np
16:18:21 <joanie> suhweet
16:18:35 <jjmarin> though, I don't know too much :-)
16:18:52 <joanie> #info If we need to co-mentor her (with the gnome-shell team), Juanjo has volunteered to be our team's mentor for her.
16:19:10 <joanie> our team tends to take the village approach
16:19:15 <joanie> so we can help you if needed
16:19:19 <joanie> but we need a point person
16:19:26 <jjmarin> does she send her proposal ?
16:19:32 <joanie> and since you are able and willing, that would be you. :)
16:19:42 <joanie> meaning has she already done so?
16:19:50 <joanie> not that I've seen, but I can check
16:19:58 <joanie> btw, there are mailing lists for OPW
16:20:03 <rtcm> what's the topic? :-)
16:20:06 <joanie> if you are not on them you probably should be
16:20:15 <joanie> rtcm: soon it will be gsoc :)
16:20:22 <joanie> API: let's move to that topic now
16:20:23 <API> joanie, jjmarin could we have a parenthesis then?
16:20:37 <joanie> since our guest has arrived :)
16:20:44 <API> ok
16:20:51 <API> #topic GSoC
16:20:53 <joanie> (I'll look for the list info)
16:21:12 <API> rtcm, people approach us in order to propose a gsoc idea
16:21:42 <API> it was proposed to get focus tracking for the gnome-shell magnifier
16:21:53 <API> this seemed a good idea
16:22:08 <API> and we proposed Joseph Scheuehammer as one of the possible mentors
16:22:25 <API> he developed the magnifier, and have some proof of concepts for the focus tracking
16:22:44 <API> so, we proposed that, and Marina told us that it would be a good idea to have also a
16:22:52 <rtcm> sounds good
16:22:52 <API> gnome-shell developer around
16:23:08 <rtcm> I can help and answer code questions
16:23:15 <API> she sent a email, but nobody offered himself as volunteer
16:23:24 <rtcm> but I can't commit to being a mentor
16:23:30 <API> rtcm, were you cced on that email?
16:24:06 <jjmarin> who is she ?
16:24:19 <joanie> marina
16:24:43 <joanie> didn't we determine that she sent it to (or cced) ddl?
16:24:53 <rtcm> API: I was and I didn't reply because I can't afford being a mentor (I'm organizing guadec already)
16:25:00 <API> rtcm, well, the thing is that we pinged Jasper first, and he suggested you
16:25:04 <API> rtcm, ah, yes
16:25:07 <API> that seems
16:25:11 <API> really time-consuming
16:25:22 <joanie> guadec? nah. it's easy. :P
16:25:28 <rtcm> I did put my name in the wiki page
16:25:38 <API> well, this was basically what joseph also said
16:25:44 <API> and asked
16:25:46 <rtcm> and as I said, I can answer specific questions about the code
16:25:51 <joanie> oh, nice! thanks rtcm!!
16:25:56 <API> as he was not sure how much work being a mentor means
16:26:57 <rtcm> he will have to review the code and generally steer the student (depends on the students abilities)
16:26:58 <joanie> since we are still an "untriaged idea".... Does anyone know how triaging ideas works?
16:27:19 <joanie> rtcm: steering is something we can do
16:27:24 <API> no idea about that triaging process
16:28:02 <jjmarin> magpie has ideas for hover click that I guess it will tackle gnome shell. Though not sure because I don't know her proposal yet
16:29:04 <API> in any case
16:29:15 <API> and in order to not consume too much time from rtcm
16:29:41 <API> I think that we can conclude that he can help with some questions and code review
16:29:51 * joanie nods
16:29:52 <API> but not a full mentoring
16:30:12 <API> so the action item will be answer marina
16:30:12 <rtcm> that should be fine, yes
16:30:25 <API> with what everybody (joseph and rtcm) said
16:30:33 <API> well, and what we said
16:30:41 <API> and see if it enough to go on with that
16:30:44 <API> makes sense?
16:30:50 <joanie> i think so
16:30:57 <joanie> are you taking that AI?
16:31:11 <jjmarin> rtcm: thanks for helping :)
16:31:14 <API> ok
16:31:25 <API> rtcm, yeah thank you, and thank you for coming
16:31:33 <jjmarin> AI ?
16:31:35 <API> I think that you can continue with your normal life now ;)
16:31:49 <joanie> jjmarin: Action Item
16:31:59 <jjmarin> wow !
16:32:17 <joanie> ?
16:32:43 <rtcm> yw
16:32:48 <jjmarin> AI meaning was unexpected for me :)
16:33:01 <joanie> silly jjmarin :)
16:33:44 <API> #action API will send a email to Marina in relation to the GSOC
16:34:12 <API> joanie, could you make a summary later for the minutes or do you prefer some pretty #info here?
16:34:25 <joanie> either way
16:34:43 <mgorse> Hi all. I'm sorry for missing half the meeting.
16:34:45 <joanie> if you could pretty info it now, it would save time later though
16:35:00 <joanie> mgorse: you have 1000 action items /me grins
16:35:52 <API> #info We have an action item of pinging rtcm after our chat with jasper some weeks ago
16:36:39 <API> #info we invited him to the a11y-meeting. He would not have enough time for being a mentor, but could give some guidance in the form of answering questions and some code review
16:37:10 <API> #info API will send to marina a mail with all this info (joseph answer, jasper answer, rtcm answer)
16:37:11 <API> done
16:37:20 <API> so I think that the topic is over
16:37:22 <joanie> thanks!
16:37:24 <joanie> yup
16:37:25 <API> anything else or moving?
16:38:42 <API> I guess that moving
16:38:47 <API> #topic W3C updates
16:38:50 <API> joseph is not here
16:38:55 <API> joanie, something to say here?
16:39:02 <joanie> nope
16:39:10 <joanie> and Mark has not been around this week
16:39:52 <API> ok
16:39:55 <joanie> #action Joanie will email Mark Sadecki about our team meetings and invite him to join us to provide W3C updates
16:40:07 <API> #topic Marketing
16:40:09 <API> jjmarin, ?
16:40:43 <jjmarin> #info Juanjo has only done some work in the a11y documentation
16:41:07 <jjmarin> #info Juanjo needs to do more work in the wikipedia :-)
16:41:34 <jjmarin> done !
16:41:35 <jjmarin> :)
16:41:41 <API> just a question
16:41:48 <API> there are a lot of activity on the marketing list
16:41:48 <jjmarin> please
16:42:02 <API> some suggested a marketing hackfest
16:42:13 <API> is that true or I just read too quick?
16:42:22 <jjmarin> yes, there is going to be a hackfest in NY
16:42:38 <jjmarin> and we are finishing the annual report
16:43:19 <jjmarin> I won't be able to attend to the hackfest, beacuse I don't have schedule for june july
16:43:52 <jjmarin> and I have important meetting with unkown dates :/
16:44:10 <API> ok, thanks
16:44:30 <API> anyway, I guess that the only thing that could affect to a11y on that marketing hackfest is the annual report
16:45:08 <jjmarin> there is an article about the a11y FoG campaing in the report
16:45:27 <jjmarin> :)
16:46:21 <jjmarin> and I hope soon it will be some news about the contract from the a11y FoG ;-)
16:46:44 <API> well the advantage of the report being late
16:46:51 <API> is that there are possibilities of including that
16:46:54 <API> having said so
16:46:59 <API> something else in this point?
16:47:06 <API> more questions, doubts, comments?
16:48:45 <jjmarin> no more questions from me to me :P
16:49:03 <API> ok
16:49:13 <API> well, this meeting was fast
16:49:14 <API> so
16:49:19 <API> #topic Miscellaneous time
16:49:38 <API> someone want to add something (short) not included on the agenda?
16:52:16 <jjmarin> do you think #647711 and #665907 can be done in gnome 3.10 ?
16:53:35 * API looking
16:54:25 <API> well, about the stickikey one
16:54:34 <API> the good news is that it received some attention
16:54:40 <API> as soon as 3.8 was out
16:55:14 <API> so hopefully, yes
16:55:43 <API> I have more doubts about the second one
16:56:00 <API> in the sense that stickykeys at least they are talking about how to implement that
16:56:09 <API> they are already talking about developing
16:56:17 <API> in the second one, about the size of the mouse pointer
16:56:34 <API> taking into account aday comments, stuff seems more in the air
16:57:26 <jjmarin> ok :-)
16:58:47 <jjmarin> at least I will follow these bugs reports
16:59:26 <jjmarin> and joanie has nothing more to say about "letters soup" ?
16:59:42 <joanie> I still want to know how the accented letters are done
17:00:20 <jjmarin> I think you can discard the accents :)
17:00:43 <API> spanish alphabet soups has a lot of typos
17:00:45 <joanie> I also wonder if there is alphabet soup for asian languages
17:00:53 <joanie> and for that matter arabic and hebrew
17:01:09 <joanie> misc time is misc
17:01:13 <joanie> :)
17:01:14 <API> and in order to end the mist time:
17:01:16 <API> http://www.20minutos.es/noticia/241150/0/Faltan/letras/sopa/
17:01:19 <API> in spanish!
17:01:21 <API> meeting over
17:01:25 <API> see you next time
17:01:29 <API> #endmeeting