16:06:22 #startmeeting 16:06:22 Meeting started Thu Apr 19 16:06:22 2012 CET. The chair is API. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 16:06:22 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 16:06:28 #topic 3.5 cycle feature proposal 16:06:46 #info 3.5 cycle feature proposal has started 16:06:50 https://mail.gnome.org/archives/devel-announce-list/2012-March/msg00005.html 16:07:07 #infor it would be good to start to think if we want to propose something 16:07:16 I noticed that the magnifier's brightness/contrast/inverse effects are still in the 3.4 Features page. Should I move them over to 3.5? 16:07:23 clown, yes 16:07:39 afaik, that kind of things are responsability of the feature responsible 16:08:00 #action Joseph will update the stateus of the magnifier's brightness/contrast/inverse effects feature, and move it to the 3.5 features page. 16:08:04 btw, we assume that features accepted for 3.4 are implicitly accepted for 3.6 16:08:06 but delayes 16:08:09 delayed 16:08:19 s/stateus/status/ 16:08:32 (done) 16:08:36 We talked at the hackfest about having accessibility be on by on by default for 3.6. Would that be considered a "feature" that we should propose? 16:08:47 mgorse, yes I think so 16:08:53 +1 16:08:57 Company was asking about that recently 16:09:10 I still didn't reply him because I would want to check some stuff 16:09:11 "on by on by" ? 16:09:24 ie how the accessibility is really activated now 16:09:40 as it seems that this "after activate a11y you need to logout" 16:09:46 is not 100% true anymore 16:09:52 * joanie nods 16:10:13 ok, but what strange name seems to me :-) 16:10:13 #action Piñeiro after some researching, will bring the having accessibility by default 3.6 to the accessibility list 16:10:32 #action Piñeiro after some debate we could propose it as feature 16:10:55 so, excluding delayed stuff, like brightness or 16:11:01 focus tracking at gs-mag 16:11:07 and some stuff for dots 16:11:15 and a11y by default 16:11:25 anyother feature in your mind? 16:11:56 given that improvements are not "features", I don't think so 16:12:03 doesn't mean we're not doing it. 16:13:13 well, in that case, can I move to next point? 16:13:32 nah, let's stay on this one :P 16:14:06 I will translate that as "yes" 16:14:11 :) 16:14:12 #topic Ohio Linux Fest? 16:14:31 #info recently Bryen sent a mail to igalia-accessibility 16:14:35 * clown reading 16:14:39 #info about Ohio Linux Fest 16:14:43 clown, https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-accessibility-list/2012-April/msg00020.html 16:14:55 s/igalia/gnome/ ? 16:15:08 #info he thinks that it could be a good place to promote accessibility 16:15:14 jjmarin, yeah, thanks, 16:15:28 that was not intended to be SPAM 16:15:30 :P 16:15:40 * clown gnome === igalia? 16:16:04 and thus our plot to take over the universe is accidentally exposed 16:16:05 #info some people from gnome-marketing were interested, but Bryen feels that it would be required to have some "technical" people involved 16:16:22 so 16:16:23 * clown gives new meaning to "fearless leader". 16:16:28 opinions, doubts? 16:16:37 yes, he needs someone who can address technical questions 16:16:58 #info Joanie could potentially fly out to Ohio before Grace Hopper. 16:17:11 great ! 16:17:55 I guess that the problem here is "potentially" 16:18:05 if in the end it is not possible 16:18:18 What I mean is, this doesn't strike me as fun 16:18:28 and maybe Bryen will say "not Joanie, she sucks" 16:18:29 probably it would be good a fallback 16:18:37 but I can go if everyone wants me to 16:18:38 and in my mind 16:18:52 it is related with our outdated demo/docs 16:19:24 the fact is that right now in order to promote the status of accessibility we need someone technical, as he knows better the status 16:19:31 I don't think so, he knows that there are only few a11y developers :-) and you're potentially one of the person he's asking for 16:19:40 it would be good to have something that marketing, or others could easily use 16:19:52 jjmarin: and yet he has not asked 16:20:11 joanie, he has not asked? 16:20:13 he's made vague noises that "someone technical" should volunteer 16:20:21 I didn't see any mail from you 16:20:27 API huh? 16:21:04 fyi: he was in mozilla's #accessibility chat room two days ago, and asked generally if anyone there would be interested. 16:21:15 :) 16:21:24 so, he's not just asking gnome developers. 16:21:57 which fits the spirit of his email. 16:22:17 AFAIK, he want to promote open source a11y, and he'd like have mozilla and gnome people there 16:22:22 "Booth staff would include reps from GNOME, Mozilla, FSF, Oracle, etc." 16:22:48 jjmarin: can we task you with coordinating with Bryen? 16:22:49 I *could* go to it, although I think that I'd want to have a better idea of what the conference would be like before I agree to it (and if I'm paying for it out of my own pocket) 16:22:50 and oracle people, apparently. 16:23:21 joanie: yes 16:23:26 yay! 16:23:27 thank you 16:24:04 if you could find out exactly what he is looking for and indicate that Joanie is willing to go and Mike may be pending more info 16:24:12 and get a response from him 16:24:16 that would be great 16:24:56 jjmarin, joanie a pretty #action of #info, please? 16:24:59 #action Juanjo will contact Bryen about the OLF a11y booth 16:25:35 jjmarin, ok thanks 16:25:39 so, moving to next point? 16:25:50 * joanie nods 16:26:07 +1 16:26:18 #topic Outreach Program for Women update? 16:26:20 clown, ? 16:26:59 #info Joseph parially did his action from last week — come up with something in terms of a "small contribution". 16:27:35 #info Joseph looked through the Accerciser bug list to find something small and self contained to recommend to Ahu. 16:27:59 #info but didn't find anything suitable. Noted that none of the bugs are tagged "gnome-love". 16:28:32 #info is consider filing a feature request: have the about box show the version number, and then suggest Ahu work on that for her "small contribution". 16:28:35 (done). 16:28:44 not sure if gnome-love is really active these days 16:28:52 * joanie glances over bug list 16:29:52 can't remember where I read it, but I thought that one of the OPW pages suggested looking for gnome-love bugs for this requirement. 16:30:07 clown: it does say that. but no one does it. ;) 16:30:13 (or very few do) 16:30:26 ah, I'm not imagining things. 16:30:30 good to know. 16:30:48 does Ahu have coding skills at all? 16:31:12 I don't know. She said she was interested in my proposal in order to sharpen her Python skills. 16:31:40 So, doing some small python bug fixing for the primary tool for the proposal would be a good thing to judge by. 16:31:53 * joanie nods 16:32:11 one bug I forgot I had filed I had also provided a patch for oops 16:32:24 and, I've got a number of different versions of accerciser, but there's no easy way to figure out which one I'm using from its gui. 16:32:41 anyway, in the spirit of moving on, the version thing is an issue raised also by the debian packager 16:32:41 "oops"? Open office? 16:33:05 oops == https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=654418 16:33:05 04Bug 654418: normal, Normal, ---, jdiggs, NEW, Strings with context are not getting properly localized even though the translations have been provided 16:33:23 lol 16:33:30 thought that would be an easy one when I saw it in the list. 16:33:46 I had totally forgotten that I filed it and offered a patch 16:34:21 well, if there is already a patch … isn't that what Ahu is supposed to provide? 16:34:29 clown: that's the oops 16:34:41 aha! 16:34:46 * clown needs more coffee. 16:35:54 another one I started digging into and then moved on is this one: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=671261 16:35:54 04Bug 671261: normal, Normal, ---, accerciser-devel, UNCONFIRMED, UnicodeDecodeError breaks the interface viewer 16:36:06 * clown looks 16:37:37 that one would also expose Ahu to the different interfaces (as a concept) 16:37:50 which I think is important for your project, right? 16:38:44 well, I don't want to be the grumpy dwarf here 16:38:45 yes. certainly something for me to explore further (and soon). 16:38:53 but I feel that this is too much detail for the meeting 16:39:12 can we summarize this as "clow is looking for a bug suitable for first contribution"? 16:39:19 s/clow/clown 16:39:27 #info Josepsh is looking for a bug suitable for first contribution. 16:39:36 s/Josepsh/Joseph/ 16:39:45 * joanie chuckles 16:39:56 it seems that today is happy-key day 16:40:07 so anything else or moving to next point? 16:40:18 happy-key, grumpy dwarf 16:40:48 ok, moving 16:40:51 #topic Marketing and Fundraising 16:40:52 jjmarin, ? 16:41:16 #info the FoG a11y campaign has reached $14,005, so at this pace, it is possible to get the goal by June. 16:42:10 As part of my unfinished task "Test a11y on wxwidgets " 16:43:06 I was thinking about writing a checklist for checking a11y in wxwidgets and another one for GNOME 16:43:24 do you think is worth ? 16:43:28 well 16:43:37 taking into account the feedback 16:43:39 received 16:43:43 I don't think so 16:43:57 after all, we already have plenty of work just with gtk 16:44:12 clutter, gnome-shell etc 16:44:17 it is, GNOME technologies 16:44:37 * clown wonders if it's actually IGALIA technologies... 16:44:37 and in the end, reasons against eviacam were not just on wxwidgets 16:44:49 the basic idea is tell wxwidgets folks to use accerciser to check the a11y 16:44:50 * joanie laughs 16:45:20 but I'm getting confused: Is this a marketing and fundraising thing? 16:45:25 so, could you define "checklist"? 16:46:09 is a11y marketing for developers :-) 16:46:18 ok 16:47:10 I can elaborate more this for the next meeting 16:47:55 #action Juanjo will write some ideas about how to marketing a11y to developers 16:48:09 jjmarin, ok thanks 16:48:23 but, probably it would be good if you remove "test a11y on wxwidget" 16:48:26 as one action item 16:49:08 ok, is there a remove action command ? 16:49:16 jjmarin: nah 16:49:20 I'll remove it now 16:49:30 just a question 16:49:47 jjmarin, -marketing are debating for the next 16:49:52 goal 16:49:58 yes 16:50:03 that means that now there are a specific deadline for the current one? 16:50:15 what would happen if by June the goal was not achieved? 16:51:12 It's not 100% decided by now, but it is supposed it will began after reaching our goal 16:51:21 and it will be achived 16:51:44 I think :-) 16:52:23 ok thanks 16:52:28 ok, lets move to last topic 16:52:35 usually our favourite 16:52:40 #miscellaneous time 16:52:46 argh 16:52:56 #topic miscellaneous time 16:53:06 someone wants to add something not-scheduled? 16:57:37 it seems that today we only do scheduled things :-) 16:59:01 jjmarin, I agree 16:59:09 so I will close the meeting 16:59:11 #endmeeting